Need a plinker (.22) and a hunting rifle.. what should i get?

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Hello boys! i had to make quite a few different email acounts to finally get on this forum:confused: but w/e, ill forgive the admins for now:D


Im shopping for my first few rifles but i don't know what to get, i would like a semi auto .22 for playing around with and a semi auto 30/30 or 30/06 for hunting deer and maybe moose. I would love to get a .22 with a 30 round mag like the 957 but without the jamming issues... does that even exist in canada? i was thinking a Tc benchmark would be a great start to my collection, can someone suggest a better rifle for the price?? and what about my hunting rifle... what should i get?


AHHHh so many questions...ill leave it at that for my first post:wave:
 
There are no current 30/30 semi's that I am aware of. I would look at a bolt rifle in something like 270,308 or 30-06. Much greater selection to choose from and probably less issues.
 
the 10/22. It was my first rifle and I've never regreted it. It's fun to plink and accurate enough for small game hunting. As well, you can get 25 round mags for it made by a company by the name of Butler Creek.
 
Scott_N said:
The Ruger 10/22 is the ultimate 22 plinker.
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NO no AND NO!!! i heard that is a horrible rifle in stock form.... and that it needs a LOT of tuning to make it accurate, which in the end, isn't worth the $


I don't know much about rimfires but know that a 10/22 is not a good rifle to start off with
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Beer_drinker said:
NO no AND NO!!! i heard that is a horrible rifle in stock form.... and that it needs a LOT of tuning to make it accurate, which in the end, isn't worth the $


I don't know much about rimfires but know that a 10/22 is not a good rifle to start off with
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I like my stone stock 10/22 just fine. What you "heard" isn't necessarily true.
 
Scott_N said:
I like my stone stock 10/22 just fine. What you "heard" isn't necessarily true.
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So what kind of groupings can you get with your stock 10/22?, i don't mean to start an arguement so early but from what i've read, the 10/22 isn't a good rifle in stock form, it's popular for some reason or another... but it isn't accurate unless its been modded... does anyone else agree?


im looking for an accurate rifle out of the box, i dont want to work on it at all..... I was thinking of the Tc benchmark but i will look into the other rifles that where mentioned.
 
if you have a LeBarons club card, a Remington 597 works out to about $130 right now ($169 x 0.9 = $152 - $20 rebate = $132). if you dont have a club card, it would nearly pay for itself and save you 10% on everything including scopes, mounts, ammo, etc.

im normally a 10/22 guy, but for $130 id be tempted to try a 597. worst case you have an extra plinker.

for a hunting rifle, screw semis and get a proper bolt gun. not saying semis are BAD, just that for the same amount of money youll get a much better, more reliable and accurate bolt gun.
 
Beer_drinker said:
So what kind of groupings can you get with your stock 10/22?, i don't mean to start an arguement so early but from what i've read, the 10/22 isn't a good rifle in stock form, it's popular for some reason or another... but it isn't accurate unless its been modded... does anyone else agree?


im looking for an accurate rifle out of the box, i dont want to work on it at all..... I was thinking of the Tc benchmark but i will look into the other rifles that where mentioned.
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A 10/22 is a "plinker" in every sense of the word. It's not meant to be a target rifle, but if you want to modify one, you can certainly get them to shoot. At 50 yards my rifle will shoot 1.5" to 2.5" groups. Target accuracy? Of course not. Fun little carbine that's great for shooting gophers? Definately!
 
Beer_drinker said:
So what kind of groupings can you get with your stock 10/22?, i don't mean to start an arguement so early but from what i've read, the 10/22 isn't a good rifle in stock form, it's popular for some reason or another... but it isn't accurate unless its been modded... does anyone else agree?


im looking for an accurate rifle out of the box, i dont want to work on it at all..... I was thinking of the Tc benchmark but i will look into the other rifles that where mentioned.
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my 10/22T will easily shoot dime-sized groups at 50 yards with quality ammo. its pretty much stock except for some polishing that i have done to the triggergroup, auto bolt release mod, recoil buffer, etc -- mods primarily for function not accuracy. the polishing was so that it would run on subsonic target ammo.

that said, the gun is absolutely useless for anything but range use or plinking off the porch of my cottage because it is so disgustingly heavy, especially once you add the 6.5-20x40mm Leupold VX-III, steel weaver rail and and Warne Maxima TPA mounts.

if you actually intend to carry the gun then look into lightweight .22s. you could buy a stock 10/22 and add an aftermarket lightweight sleeved barrel and a couple VQ components and end up with a reasonably lightweight, accurate plinker and small game gun. most modding of a 10/22 is not really that much work - just swapping in parts. i polished my existing components because at the time i needed them i couldnt find a place that had the VQ crap in stock.
 
Beer_drinker said:
Hello boys! i had to make quite a few different email acounts to finally get on this forum:confused: but w/e, ill forgive the admins for now:D


Im shopping for my first few rifles but i don't know what to get, i would like a semi auto .22 for playing around with and a semi auto 30/30 or 30/06 for hunting deer and maybe moose. I would love to get a .22 with a 30 round mag like the 957 but without the jamming issues... does that even exist in canada? i was thinking a Tc benchmark would be a great start to my collection, can someone suggest a better rifle for the price?? and what about my hunting rifle... what should i get?


AHHHh so many questions...ill leave it at that for my first post:wave:
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Firstly: the 597 issues are due to cheap early gen mags and overtightening of the guide rails.

You could always find a Marlin 60 or an older Mossberg .22 tube fed for plinking & get a speed-e-loader or two for fast reloads.

As for the 30-06, what about a Winchester Super X Rifle or Remington 750? As for a 30/30 in a semi, you'll be harder pressed to find modern ones available.
 
It would be a good idea to have a 22 and a centre fire with similar actions.

First, consider that you do not have to buy new. Some of the older rifles are better made than similar rifles today. more steel and less plastic.

My suggestion would to buy a pair of bolt rifles. The end result would probably be you becoming a better shot.

I am a good shot but seem to be thinking "follow up shot" when shooting a semi as opposed to knowing I did the deed when I shot a bolt rifle.

I have quite a few different 22's, but the ones that get the mosta ction here are a Brno #2 (bolt), an old Mossberg with a lots of wood on it and a tubular mag and a newer Savage with a shilotette syle stock and no iron sights.

I have one or two Ruger 10/22's and have not used them for so long I don't know where they are.

Your tastes may vary...
 
GANDERITE said:
It would be a good idea to have a 22 and a centre fire with similar actions.

First, consider that you do not have to buy new. Some of the older rifles are better made than similar rifles today. more steel and less plastic.

My suggestion would to buy a pair of bolt rifles. The end result would probably be you becoming a better shot.

I am a good shot but seem to be thinking "follow up shot" when shooting a semi as opposed to knowing I did the deed when I shot a bolt rifle.

I have quite a few different 22's, but the ones that get the mosta ction here are a Brno #2 (bolt), an old Mossberg with a lots of wood on it and a tubular mag and a newer Savage with a shilotette syle stock and no iron sights.

I have one or two Ruger 10/22's and have not used them for so long I don't know where they are.

Your tastes may vary...
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Totally agree. I started out with a 10/22, and developed some bad shooting habits. Nothing wrong with the gun, in fact, the bone stock 10/22 will be accurate enough for plinking. Don't expect sub-1" at 50 with it and you'll be happy. It's a fun gun to shoot, but the novelty wears off quickly.

I got rid of it when I acquired a CZ452, a quality bolt action rimfire AND very accurate to boot. Practicing with it allowed me to remove some of the bad habits I had and now I'm a better shot because of it. Just think, one year ago I was happy to print holes at 100 with a 308, now I won't even be satisfied unless I get bugholes! ;) (okay, I'm rolling my own and shooting out of custom guns, but still..):D

Like others have said, go with what you're comfortable with. If you like the 597 and think the 10/22 is sh** (it's not), then get that and be happy with it. I'm just saying if I had to start all over again, that wouldn't be my choice.
 
BD - I don't own any semi-auto hunting rifles, but I have several friends who do. I'm sure plenty of them work well and can be made to work well. But in my experience if someone in a group has a rifle problem, it'll be the guy with the semi.

If you're interested in moose, too, you might want a little more bang than a 30-30. Not to say you can't kill moose with a 30-30: lots of people do with great effect. But you'll have to hold off the longer shots. A couple of years ago a friend's group went home without a moose in part because their best chance was a bull called in but that hung up at about 170 yards and the guy who had the clear shot had a 30-30 and didn't feel confident to take the shot at that range - probably a good choice, but no moose.

A good compromise to get more power in a fast-cycling gun might be one of the levers that can shoot pointed bullets. It's pretty easy to fall in love with a Savage 99. That said, lots of people have suggested to just get a bolt. It's good advice because how well and fast you shoot has more to do with how much you practice than with the type of gun you use.

RG

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sgthoskins said:
Can you guys get your hands on the GSG-5? A very fun plinker.

http://www.gsg5rifle.com/item/77083_GSG-5_Rifle.aspx
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Cool looking gun and I'm not an expert on whats available to us or anything but with a 16.5" bbl I think it would at least be restricted. Like I said though, I don't know for sure. With the screwed up laws they've got here it might be nonrestricted. I think they threw a bunch of gun names in a hat and pulled out the ones they made restricted on a drunken lunch date.
 
What kind of budget did you have in mind for the rifles?

10/22's are fun... but if you are the rest of us, you'll end up spending 3x the cost of the rifle in "accessories"... why? because it can be done!

The most reliable 22 I've ever used is the Browning Auto22.

As far as centerfire rifles are concerned, I know a few guys using Browning BAR. Works good and reasonably accurate. HK940/HK770 are around, great rifles... but will set you back about $2000
 
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