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Deer, Head shots, 22 250
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Why is anyone fixated on what province sealhunter is in?
There are no deer in the NWT. (OK, a few have been spotted around Hay River the last few years, that's not the point.) I cannot get a licence to hunt dear in the NWT. I do get a deer somewhere almost every year. Matter of fact, I'm trying to line up a triple-header (Man/Sask/Alta) maybe for next year. It's called a non-resident licence.
Maybe sealhunter is going to hunt where he can use a 223. Maybe sealhunter doesn't even need a licence. To accuse him of breaking provincial hunting regulations is childish. So let's act our ages and beat him up on the topic of headshots, shall we?
There are no deer in the NWT. (OK, a few have been spotted around Hay River the last few years, that's not the point.) I cannot get a licence to hunt dear in the NWT. I do get a deer somewhere almost every year. Matter of fact, I'm trying to line up a triple-header (Man/Sask/Alta) maybe for next year. It's called a non-resident licence.
Maybe sealhunter is going to hunt where he can use a 223. Maybe sealhunter doesn't even need a licence. To accuse him of breaking provincial hunting regulations is childish. So let's act our ages and beat him up on the topic of headshots, shall we?
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Why is anyone fixated on what province sealhunter is in?
There are no deer in the NWT. (OK, a few have been spotted around Hay River the last few years, that's not the point.) I cannot get a licence to hunt dear in the NWT. I do get a deer somewhere almost every year. Matter of fact, I'm trying to line up a triple-header (Man/Sask/Alta) maybe for next year. It's called a non-resident licence.
Maybe sealhunter is going to hunt where he can use a 223. Maybe sealhunter doesn't even need a licence. To accuse him of breaking provincial hunting regulations is childish. So let's act our ages and beat him up on the topic of headshots, shall we?
Thank you, I think
Why is anyone fixated on what province sealhunter is in?
There are no deer in the NWT. (OK, a few have been spotted around Hay River the last few years, that's not the point.) I cannot get a licence to hunt dear in the NWT. I do get a deer somewhere almost every year. Matter of fact, I'm trying to line up a triple-header (Man/Sask/Alta) maybe for next year. It's called a non-resident licence.
Maybe sealhunter is going to hunt where he can use a 223. Maybe sealhunter doesn't even need a licence. To accuse him of breaking provincial hunting regulations is childish. So let's act our ages and beat him up on the topic of headshots, shall we?
In all fairness he did mention that he had extra tags for Saskatchewan and asked how many you can legally have. Those two bits of info he "casually" mentioned certainly had an effect on people's perception. Don't you think? Yo
Maybe. Why don't you ask him specifically if he is going to hunt deer with a 223 in Saskatchewan? Maybe do it in a PM as so not to distract from the thread.
Back on topic. I have never tried a headshot on a deer. I have used a neck shot once. Anyone think a neck shot is even marginally better than a headshot?
Anyway, my preference is the heart/lung, a head/neck shot would be a spur of the moment decision based on circumstances.
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In all fairness!!! How about we say IN FACT HE NEVER MENTIONED ANYWHERE HE WAS HUNTING IN SASK !!!!
How about you go back and see where and when I mentioned the tags and where and when the first post about illegal in Sask came up.
As for the question on tags, that was a quick post for a quick reply by hopefully someone who knew, as there were many people posting from Sask.
I did get my answer in a PM,..
The actual question was:
I have a few deer tags, How many can you legally have in sask?
Yours and/or Brutus assuming was just that. No one else came to the conclusions that I was going to be illegally hunting in SAsk.
hmm, wonder why most assumed I probably wasn't hunting in Sask, yet a couple assume the opposite....nuff said, speaks volumes.
Even on this thread that I posted and was actively posting on, you didn't come out and ask me what you wanted to know in regards to me being Snowhunter, you put it to the thread instead. Only after my questioning you did you ask me directly , and of course to be found wrong on another assumption.
If this is the "tone" you speak of when you comment on my tone in responses, go read the thread and see when the tone begins. Around post #70
all other posts of mine are genuine, sincere and not confronational at all on this thread, with the exception of my responses to guys who have said I am "alluding to illegal behaviour" .
back to the thread at hand..
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I never said anything about the illegality of anything. But Sealhunter asks:
Then he says:
So he obviously knows something about head shots. Why bother asking if you've already shot 5 big game animals in the head? He asks because he wants to get people worked up, and he does it by adding tidbits of info like:
in the SAME thread he says:
Implying he hunts deer in Saskatchewan. So someone posts that you are not allowed to hunt deer in Saskatchewan with a .22 caliber rifle.
He wanted to know what people thought and people have told him. Don't ask if you don't want all opinions. He injected information into the thread. Quite frankly this seems like a troll thread to me.
Sealhunter said:
Then he says:
sealhunter said:
So he obviously knows something about head shots. Why bother asking if you've already shot 5 big game animals in the head? He asks because he wants to get people worked up, and he does it by adding tidbits of info like:
in the SAME thread he says:
Implying he hunts deer in Saskatchewan. So someone posts that you are not allowed to hunt deer in Saskatchewan with a .22 caliber rifle.
He wanted to know what people thought and people have told him. Don't ask if you don't want all opinions. He injected information into the thread. Quite frankly this seems like a troll thread to me.
Threads like these are what drove me away from CGN for a long time. They have also driven away knowledgeable old timers who actually had really good info to share. I remember a whole bunch of very wise folks from a few years back that don't bother posting any more.
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+1 for 1899!
I find the tone of these posts very saddening. I am within days of leaving the UK to take up peramanent residence in Canada and thought that this site might be a good place to learn about Canadian hunting, but it"s not worth the sewage I"ve had to wade through from some (not all)of the folks posting here.
In Southern Ireland hunters could"nt have anything bigger than .270(less in some areas) until about 10 yrs ago. I have shot the sika/red hybrids down there, and they are huge and incredibly tough. Heart shot with a 308, they show no reaction and just trot away, piling up a couple of hundred yards later.
I know guys who shot literally hundreds of these deer with 22.250"s, which were in the top 10 deer rifle calibres in Ireland for years. Being able to sell our deer (UK and Ireland) to game dealers, we want least meat damage to get top dollar for the carcase. Head/neck shots ruled the roost for years, but I have seen Red stags(way bigger than Whiteteails or Mulies) taken with 22.250"s in the heart or head.
I said it before and I"ll say it again, you should know your rifle, you should be genuinely afraid of wounding an animal with ANY shot you make, and you decide what shot to take(if any!) depending on the conditions at the time.
Is there any chance of some courtesy breaking out on this site, or will we all just meet outside school for a fight?
I find the tone of these posts very saddening. I am within days of leaving the UK to take up peramanent residence in Canada and thought that this site might be a good place to learn about Canadian hunting, but it"s not worth the sewage I"ve had to wade through from some (not all)of the folks posting here.
In Southern Ireland hunters could"nt have anything bigger than .270(less in some areas) until about 10 yrs ago. I have shot the sika/red hybrids down there, and they are huge and incredibly tough. Heart shot with a 308, they show no reaction and just trot away, piling up a couple of hundred yards later.
I know guys who shot literally hundreds of these deer with 22.250"s, which were in the top 10 deer rifle calibres in Ireland for years. Being able to sell our deer (UK and Ireland) to game dealers, we want least meat damage to get top dollar for the carcase. Head/neck shots ruled the roost for years, but I have seen Red stags(way bigger than Whiteteails or Mulies) taken with 22.250"s in the heart or head.
I said it before and I"ll say it again, you should know your rifle, you should be genuinely afraid of wounding an animal with ANY shot you make, and you decide what shot to take(if any!) depending on the conditions at the time.
Is there any chance of some courtesy breaking out on this site, or will we all just meet outside school for a fight?
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Basically, if you ask for oppinions or experiences on a topic not everyone agrees on, you're screwed by some into being a troll. ...I have no problems with differing oppinions, but don't say that I am alluding to illegal activity, or that I am going to be charged, when your base for fact is your own assumption.
Most of my threads are ones that have different oppinions and strong oppinions, and by hearing others and others experiences, helps me with my decisions. For one, Gatehouse has me a lot more open to different styles of hunting than I was. I am happy about that, and got that from a thread he defended hunters ability on. From Sheephunter I gained a new respect for slug guns and muzzleloaders, again from a thread he posted good arguements on.
Why would I post a thread of "commom Knowledge".
For example, "Is a .303 big enough for moose"
I have enough experience and eduaction and oppinion to never post that thread, ... but if someone else is posting it, I assume they posted it for a genuine reason. Maybe a newbie buying a rifle, maybe a guy had one given to him buy his Dad and wants to try it, etc etc etc.
I got the info I was looking for, and thanks to the people who posted with oppinions and experience, for and against. Thanks for the PM's and advice. This is how we learn from not just our own experiences, but the much more vast experiences of the hunting community as a whole.
Just so that you know, my thread was not a troll thread, and I was genuinely interested in all thoughts and experience and advice on the topic. I have never used a 22 250 for big game, though I have taken a few headshots with another calibre.
Some people assumed too much, perhaps I did not clarify well enough.
Applogies to 1899 and Brutus. Though we don't see eye to eye, we're all better than this foolishness.
Cheers
Most of my threads are ones that have different oppinions and strong oppinions, and by hearing others and others experiences, helps me with my decisions. For one, Gatehouse has me a lot more open to different styles of hunting than I was. I am happy about that, and got that from a thread he defended hunters ability on. From Sheephunter I gained a new respect for slug guns and muzzleloaders, again from a thread he posted good arguements on.
Why would I post a thread of "commom Knowledge".
For example, "Is a .303 big enough for moose"
I have enough experience and eduaction and oppinion to never post that thread, ... but if someone else is posting it, I assume they posted it for a genuine reason. Maybe a newbie buying a rifle, maybe a guy had one given to him buy his Dad and wants to try it, etc etc etc.
I got the info I was looking for, and thanks to the people who posted with oppinions and experience, for and against. Thanks for the PM's and advice. This is how we learn from not just our own experiences, but the much more vast experiences of the hunting community as a whole.
Just so that you know, my thread was not a troll thread, and I was genuinely interested in all thoughts and experience and advice on the topic. I have never used a 22 250 for big game, though I have taken a few headshots with another calibre.
Some people assumed too much, perhaps I did not clarify well enough.
Applogies to 1899 and Brutus. Though we don't see eye to eye, we're all better than this foolishness.
Cheers
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If you can hit a verticle, pie plate sized target 10/10 @100 yds, you're good to go.
If you can hit an orange sized target that can move side to side, up or down or twist compeletly around at any moment without warning, with an inconsitent entry profile 10/10, you're good to go.
If you can hit an orange sized target that can move side to side, up or down or twist compeletly around at any moment without warning, with an inconsitent entry profile 10/10, you're good to go.
I shot my buck last year with my 22-250, not a head shot either, rather one nicely placed shot right in the boiler room! His back legs dropped out of him on impact. He tried to regain his feet, but just couldn't, he flopped a few times, then dropped no more than 10 yards from where he was hit. Upon closer inspection, the bullet (55 gr Sierra Game King) hit a rib on the way in, sending shards of bone throughout his chest cavity with one stickin into his spine, paralyzing his back end. He was dead within seconds, no suffering whatsoever!
It is legal in MB to use a 22-250 for big game, the hunting regs don't suggest anything under .23 cal be used for them, but it is NOT illegal. A .22 rimfire can not be used under any circumstances on a big game animal in MB.
