Explosive Bullets - How do they work?

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My room mate and I got to talking about explosive rounds and what use they might have (why they were created to begin with) and the subject quickly changed to how they're made.

I'm very well-aware that they are prohibited and not available to civilians in Canada, but I'm curious nonetheless from a knowledge standpoint.

Does anyone know how exploding bullets are constructed?

Discuss! :)

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Why not just assume for discussion that he wasn't trying to entrap someone into violating the statutes of our land and just wanted to know the theory. We uninformed are anxiously waiting to hear how they work. I have not seen this episode on "How it's Made" yet. :D
 
My room mate and I got to talking about explosive rounds and what use they might have (why they were created to begin with) and the subject quickly changed to how they're made.

I'm very well-aware that they are prohibited and not available to civilians in Canada, but I'm curious nonetheless from a knowledge standpoint.

Does anyone know how exploding bullets are constructed?

Discuss! :)

-###XX

Exploding bullets are not actually practical - it's hard to get enough explosive into small arms ammo to make it do anything exciting.

Artillery rounds are another thing entirely. These may carry healthy amounts of high explosive and a detonator (usually) initiated by contact.
 
In all honesty, real explosive bullets don't exist below .50 caliber. When you are talking the 20mm and larger aircraft and helicopter mounted guns, the projectile is large enough to be a miniature version of the artillery shell designs with a thinner skin.

The .303 and larger APIT rounds are primarily for punching holes in gas tanks, and mostly represent pre-WWII thinking.
 
For Christ's sakes CGN can be paranoid at times.

Clearly I wasn't trying to "break the rules" of CGN or trick anyone into getting themselves into hot water with the mods.

I'm just wondering, for theory's sake (as suggested by ykjimr) how they are constructed. I don't want to make exploding bullets, nor do I want someone to give me a how-to guide in making them.

I just like understanding how things work, and this information isn't available on the web (as far as I've been able to search, anyways).

If anyone has any useful (and interesting, to me) information that they aren't afraid to pass on to someone who's curious (for the sake of curiosity), please feel free to share it with me!

Thanks
 
I'd ask the same question again - but somewhere else, not on Canadian GunNutz.

If you ask the same question on an American forum you might actually get an answer. Attitudes there being somewhat less...umm...impacted. ;)
 
Wikipedia to the rescue!

h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendiary_ammunition

h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive_incendiary

h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Explosive_Incendiary/Armor_Piercing_Ammunition

An interesting read actually.
 
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Since when is it "illegal" to discuss how things are made and/or how they work. :confused:

CGN Rules State:
The following topics will not be tolerated. Violation will result in immediate and permanent suspension. Some quasi legal/ grey/downright illegal examples that are specifically not tolerated are:

3. Manufacture or use of flammable and explosive substances or “tracer” projectiles.

I believe this rule is in regards to Homebrew concoctions/homemade incendiary/Tracer rounds due to some asshat that was trying to make some at home and was discussing it here. If I am wrong please correct me.

Maybe we should change the name to CanadianLiberalGunNutz.com :runaway:

Of course this thread will be locked by the nights end.:rolleyes:
 
Yes, on a Canadian gun site people are going to be paranoid. And yes, that can be frustrating. But it was pretty silly to expect a serious, informative response on this subject. Even on a US site, this topic wouldn't get any traction. How many people do you think have actually made exploding bullets or have seen them being made (and are going to come out and admit it)? Really?

So, why ask a question that would obviously attract the attention of the RCMP officers and anti-gun activists that are monitoring this site? The best answer someone is going to provide is from a page they've Googled or a patent they've read. Did you try that avenue?
 
"...why they were created to begin with..." Aircraft and anti-aircraft cannons. Usually 20mm and bigger.
Incendiaries aren't explosive. They have a chemical element on the end that starts fires.
 
The only exploding bullets I can think of are the 50 cal API, or the pure incendiary - and they don't really "explode".

But the thought of an exploding bullet makes me think of the need for a fuse and the problem of keeping a bullet nose forward at longer range. It does not happen that way.

Exploding bullets require a contact fuse of some kind. At long range small arms bullets display all the characteristics of a gyro, creating problems for bullets that should arrive point first.

First, think about a gyro. It spins and has stability in space. A bullet has terrific rpm and thus has gyroscopic stability. There are degrees of stability. Just barely being stable RPM is called “S”. A well made match bullet should have about 1.3xS.

The amount of rpm required to stabilize a bullet is a function of bullet length and air density. The faster a bullet travels, the more it compresses the air, so more RPM is required. But as it picks up RPM from the barrel, launching it faster automatically gives it more RPM.

As a bullet slows down as it goes down range, it needs less RPM to be stable, because the air is less dense, so as it moves downrange, it gains stability. A bullet with 1.3S at the muzzle might have 2 x S at 1000 yards. So, if you have enough twist to get accuracy at 100 yards, you have more than enough stability for long range.

This is where it gets interesting. If you have ever played with a toy gyro, this will be easy to follow. If you have not, I will explain how a gyro works, first.

If you hold a spinning gyro and move your hand around, it will stay stable in space. That is, it will move on its axis so as to always be pointed the same way. If you force the gyro to turn, it reacts by turning on the other axis. i.e. if you turn it right, it will twist up.

When you fire a bullet at a long range target, it is aimed slightly upwards. It is a spinning gyro. Will it tip over, like an arrow, and strike point on – or will it come down, still pointing up, the way it was launched? Depends.

If it was launched with more than 1.5 S, it will stay pointed up, and come down with the side exposed to airflow. It will shed velocity more quickly than a bullet that tips over and comes down point on. This is why long range target shooters use barrels with just barely enough twist.

BUT, a bullet that tips over, like an arrow, is still a gyro. When it rotates over, it also turns to the side. So it, too, shows some side to the airflow.
 
Thanks to TWO CGNers I now have an answer of how they work and are made. Thanks to a third, I now know why they were originally created.

Google Books had the answer:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=dHb...=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA79,M1


THANK YOU to all of the helpful people.

To all of the paranoid anti-knowledge discussion nutters out there: don't you think our nanny state and the anti's are doing a good enough job of limiting what we do and what we know?

They don't need your help.


Having said all that,

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You got it ###XX. You ask a question around here and you get about 3 posts that are relevant, helpfull, and make sense. You just have to wade through the rest.

Its about par for the website. As long as it doesnt decend into a bear defense discussion or something political you are lucky.

Sometimes people get in to a tiff about someones comment. Then it can be sort of morbidly entertaining to watch.

But basically, people will interject whatever they want to the conversation. You just have to hope you get the info you need.
 
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