Need to buy a H&K pistol

meh, lots of money for just a nice grip. :D

I nice grip can make shooting more enjoyable,..and it makes me happy= I am worth every penny LOL;)

the forward cocking serrations will come in handy in IPSC. It feels much better racking the gun from the top of the slide than wrapping my hand around the rear sight.
 
I nice grip can make shooting more enjoyable,..and it makes me happy= I am worth every penny LOL;)

the forward cocking serrations will come in handy in IPSC. It feels much better racking the gun from the top of the slide than wrapping my hand around the rear sight.

still seems like alot of money for it. Im still using my USP in IPSC.

Post pics when you end up getting it.:D
 
Depending on your hand size and shape, the right grip can make you a much better shooter vs. one which just doesn't fit your hand properly.
 
Depending on your hand size and shape, the right grip can make you a much better shooter vs. one which just doesn't fit your hand properly.

I think this is right. If you have big mitts, the USP could be a tremendous platform for you. Problem is, most people have average size hands and the USP cannot be changed.. except with a Hogue handall which makes it even bigger.

The adjustable grip panels (side and back) are a good idea for all doublestack guns - if there is room for it in the design. There is always going to be room for different backstraps, but, for HK at least, only the P30, P30L and HK45 have the interchangeable side panels.

The HK45, HK45C, P30, P30L, P2000, and P2000SK all have the interchangable backstraps. Note that the HK45C and P2000 have the same kind of grip... which I find interesting. The HK45C was reviewed in one of the recent gun mags. It looks really interesting... but if reports of the USP Compact .45 Tactical (which we can get in Canada) are anything to go by, it probably has some pretty hefty snap to it.

I think HK should try and get the size of their doublestack mags down. The USP mags are way too thick... thickest on the market that I can think of. They don't even fit in most standard doublestack mag pouches... a GLOCK 9mm/.40S&W mag loader (which fits over almost everything) will not fit over them, as another example. The P2000 mags are closer to the industry standard size but they are still a little bit thicker than SIG, Beretta, GLOCK, etc. mags. I know this because my mag holders on my belt are adjusted for SIG 229 mags, and when I switch the P2000 holster on to that belt, I just stick the mags in about 2 inches rather than all the way down. If I push them all the way down they are tricky to get out quickly. Very tight. USP mags, I think you would have to loosen the screw all the way to get them in there, and maybe even put in some washers or something.

If your mags are thick, interchangeable or not... you have to keep the amount of material on either side of the mag down to something reasonable.

HK is making a lot of good progress on their designs as the years go on. The guns they are putting out now are head and shoulders better than the USP design from the early 1990s.. in my view... Now, whether the current HKs are better than the old HKs... the P9S and the P7 series... that is a debate that will likely go on among HK fans forever.

HK makes a nice gun though. They are a very tough design. They show very little wear under heavy use. They don't dirty up very much, and they are extremely reliable. Like GLOCK, you don't really have to clean them, but it is a good idea in terms of accuracy and maximizing the life of your investment. (Note: I'm talking about the USP and subsequent guns here. The P7s you are not going to be able to get away without cleaning them).
 
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I think the pre USP guns were exquisite works of art with superb accuracy, I think the P9's were even more accurate than P7's. Of course in terms of intrinsic accuracy the P7 is matched and even be beat by some modern guns and well put together 1911's. However it offers its accuracy in a really small package with excellent handling and reliability.

The P7 is a PITA to clean. I'm considering getting an ultrasonic cleaner to clean the frame. Won't risk the slide as the vibrations may loosen sight inserts.

Unfortunately these old HK's were very labor intensive and expensive, hence the introduction of the USP in the early 90's. I really didn't like the gun as it was in my hands clunkier than a Glock (and I hate Glocks) with poor trigger reach (for me any way).

I'm really impressed by the P2000, and the HK45. I was very impressed by the light smooth DA pull on the HK45. However I still feel the AS trigger on the P99 is superior to the HK triggers including the LEM. Of course I love short triggers so I love the P99's short pull and reset. That being said I was able to shoot the light 5lb LEM trigger just fine in actual range work.

I kind of like the new P2000 and such for it's simplicity in cleaning and relative ease of repair and getting spare parts.

Of course I bought 3 P7M8's I have about 15 mags for them, Alessi Bodyguard shoulder holster, DelFatti LPS, Bulman QRH, belt and mag pouch as well as $100's of dollars of spare parts including springs, 4 firing pin bushings and sear levers and other pins and extractors and such.....(I was really worried about the P7 parts breaking on me....:D)

I really wish I would have discovered the P2000 before that but considering all that money invested I'm gonna shoot the crap out of my P7's and just spend more money:confused: on a cleaner to ease cleaning duties....

P7 fans should really buy the following parts, sear lever, firing pin bushing, drop safety and spring...most high failure rate parts on the gun.

New guys, just buy the P2000, HK45 (I'd wait for the HK45c), or the P30 (personally I think this is a step back as you're buying a high cap mag neutered worse than the P2000.)
 
the mags on the P30-L are smaller than USP mags. I have handled them and can atest to that.
 
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