Elk Farm Hunting Looking For Trouble!!

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I am looking for some info, may be some thoughts and oppinions, maybe someone knows the farm....

There was an Elk farm in White Fox that was closed down and all animals culled when they were found to have CWD.

This year, the farm is reopened, but now it is a game hunting farm...

I'll not get into my rant on "hunting" penned animals, but I'd like to get some more info on this.

CWD is not to be taken lightly, and on a farm, it would be very dificult to say whether it was gone from the pastures or not. With the long incubation period, how would one know if the animal has CWD when it is not showing symptoms.

This farm has both Elk and Deer for hunting. The investors say that all animals on the Farm will be killed by season's end and monitoring the fences will be of utmost imporatance (so the penned don't mix with wild)


This all has me pretty uneasy. It is quite possible that the animals will have CWD and not show symptoms by the time they are kiled and eaten.

Does anyone know about this game farm? If it has test it's animals ?
etc etc etc

I think it is seriously asking for trouble.
 
sealhunter said:
I am looking for some info, may be some thoughts and oppinions, maybe someone knows the farm....

There was an Elk farm in White Fox that was closed down and all animals culled when they were found to have CWD.

This year, the farm is reopened, but now it is a game hunting farm...

I'll not get into my rant on "hunting" penned animals, but I'd like to get some more info on this.

CWD is not to be taken lightly, and on a farm, it would be very dificult to say wheter it was gone form the pastures or not. With the long incubation period, how would one know if the animal has CWD when it is not showing symptoms.

This farm has both Elk and Deer for hunting. The investors say that all animals on the Farm will be killed by season's end and monitoring the fences will be of utmost imporatance (so the penned don't mix with wild)


This all has me pretty uneasy. It is quite possible that the animals will have CWD and not show symptoms by the time they are kiled and eaten.

Does anyone know about this game farm? If it has test it's animals ?
etc etc etc

I think it is seriously asking for trouble.
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You can't test for CWD till the critter is dead.

I'm sure they have all the appropriate permits and licences. Doesn't make it right but it does make it legal. Get used to a sad reality in Saskatchewan. Guessing there are a hundred cases like the one you cited.
 
sheephunter said:
You can't test for CWD till the critter is dead.

I'm sure they have all the appropriate permits and licences. Doesn't make it right but it does make it legal. Get used to a sad reality in Saskatchewan. Guessing there are a hundred cases like the one you cited.
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Not that I would, but If I were paying top dollar to hunt on a game ranch, I'd want to know that they had been closed for CWD.

I really hope that they are being as careful and prudent as they need to be, and i have no reason to think they wouldn't, it's a very very touchy area.

As for not testing the animals til they are dead, this is what i am interested in. Are the animals that are being taken going to all be tested?
 
It's not "hunting". It's just killing/slaughter. There is a big difference between the two.
 
If this is the farm I think it is, yes they did have to cull all their animals and are now a 100% hunt ranch. There was also a change in ownership at about the same time as the cull. I am no expert but I would expect that all animals harvested on that farm will have to be tested so what is the problem? In fact it may be good because any animal that would happen to test positive could be traced back to the farm it was purchased from and therefore stop potential spread from that origin farm.
 
deadhead said:
If this is the farm I think it is, yes they did have to cull all their animals and are now a 100% hunt ranch. There was also a change in ownership at about the same time as the cull. I am no expert but I would expect that all animals harvested on that farm will have to be tested so what is the problem? In fact it may be good because any animal that would happen to test positive could be traced back to the farm it was purchased from and therefore stop potential spread from that origin farm.
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The problem is if any animals escape. If CWD is found again, this farm would probably be the "original" farm.
 
1899 said:
It's not "hunting". It's just killing/slaughter. There is a big difference between the two.
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I agree 100%...

You can also add to that ALL the Outfitting that goes on with Deer being baited...

I wish that B.S was stopped.

Since when does it take ANY skill(other than SHOOTING) to sit in a heated stand with a grain pile and alfalfa 100 yards away...wait for a Buck to come in and then shoot it.

It is NOT hunting. It is Shooting Ducks in a barrel.

Penned or high-fence hunting is the same. No fair-chase there either.

My Father in law once worked for an Outfitter guiding and he said the Does and Fawns were so tame they would eat out of your hand after a month of being fed. Young bucks would also be VERY close to you while being fed.

The sad thing is the Outfitters are all over the public/crown land and there is less and less access to farmland in certain areas leaving resident hunters out in the cold so to speak.
 
The heads from all slaughtered farmed elk,deer "All" have to have the brain sent to the CFIA. for testing for CWD.Even animals that die of natural causes on game or hunt farms have to send in any dead animals brains (usuall whole head gets sent in less horns .unless it is under 1 year old .TB testing is also manditory every 5 years or less blood samples from all farmed animals .

Hunt farms usually have their own breeding herds to supply the "hunt " farm portion .If they don't they pre sell the hunt and buy from another farm.
The paper work involved with just transporting animals is stupid.....and the fines if your animal gets loose are huge.
The hunt farms are around because there are people that couldn't get a wild animal fair chase ..........let alone something that could be record book.
My opinion is food plots ,baiting with grain,hay,comercially made products and fenced hunting is NOT hunting or FAIR CHASE !
 
Boone and Crocket does not accept animals taken from hunt farms.However, other organizations do. The point is that hunt farms or any wild game ranching should not be allowed. CWD is the classic reason why. The Sask government screwed up big time.

When some a--hole comes in and buys a trophy animal to shoot reminds me of the UK where the nobility owned the game. Game animals are wild and belong to everyone.

I would even go as far as to condem people with private land who post it so only they can shoot wild game. If you want no hunting that means you too. You don't own the game
 
powdergun said:
I would even go as far as to condem people with private land who post it so only they can shoot wild game. If you want no hunting that means you too. You don't own the game
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NO WAY, that is crazy logic.

A landowner has every right to keep other hunters off his land. It's not about owning the game, it's about control of the land you own.
 
powdergun said:
I would even go as far as to condem people with private land who post it so only they can shoot wild game. If you want no hunting that means you too. You don't own the game
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What an ignorant statement! Landowners have every right to control access to their property. Jerks that think they have access to anybody's land just because they have a hunting licence in their pocket are a huge problem already without promoting such an attitude.
You are WAY off base on this one. I can invite whoever I want to hunt on my land, and ban whoever I want. Get used to it. It is common sense and it is the law. I find the people who object the loudest to controlled access to private land are the ones with bad manners.
 
There was an offer from a farmer a while back to pay for one of his elk on the hoof and take care of it ourselves. Would have been really good meat, but not hunting that is for sure.
Ontario got rid of all game farms a while back, no need for them.
 
sjemac said:
SCI allows "estate" animals to be recorded in their books but keeps them in a separate category from the truly "wild" specimens.
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The fact that an organization and or the membership involved, even tolerate the notion that a canned specimen has any kind of "throphy" value, speaks volumes as to the quality of the individuals that make SCI what it is today.
 
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