Bow Hunting if you were an animal

The ORB said:
Of course dividing, marginalising and restricting hunters based on their specific choice of weapon is ultimately the goal that all provinces should aim for. I only hope that Ontario becomes so progressive. I want semi-auto's banned next, lets face it they sure as hell aren't "rifles" are they? In fact, I can't think of a good reason anyone should even own a crossbow or a semi-auto rifle. In fact what the hell kind of implement is a "compund bow" anyway, with its hightech materials and fancy pulleys and sights. Let's ban hunting with those too. ;)

Seriously I sometimes am bemused by what hunters and firearms owners do to themselves. The anti's must love it.
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I think you missed the point as well. The Bow Zone is encompasses the cities of Edmonton and Calgary in areas where the discharge of firearms is prohibited and for good reason (more dense population of people). So my post has ZERO to do with firearms or my opinion on FIREARMS laws. If you were a Bow Hunter and by that I mean NOT a crossbow hunter but Long bow, Recurve or Compound hunter you would understand why Crossbows don't belong in the Alberta Bow ONLY Zones 212 and 248. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with hunting with Crossbow hunting but in Alberta you hunt during rifle season and in a rifle zone with a crossbow and IMHO is the way it should stay.

As far as is an arrow and effective killer? IMHO the answer is a resounding yes. And with a well tuned setup and a good choice of arrows and broadheads combined with the #1 factor of a clean kill "SHOT PLACEMENT" an arrow will kill just about any big game animal on the face of the earth.
 
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Gents,

I think the bottom line here is:

If in your province, bowhunting encompasses archery tackle of all sorts and crossbows....then it is legal bowhunting

If in your province, bowhunting encompasses archery tackle of all sorts and does NOT include crossbow...like in Alberta then it is not legal.

So in this case, Ponts and I live in Alberta, crossbows are not part of the archery season. You may agree or disagree, in the end it is immaterial since the defiinition is clearly outlined in the hunting regs.

So lets lighten up a bit and help a fellow CGN deal with the issue of shot placement.....
 
Reference shot placement. I agree 100%, shot placement with archery is very very important and to be honest, you only get better by shooting more animals and practicing. It is hard work but worth it....I value every moment in the field....
 
Oh ya....I don't think crossbows should be part of the archery season but rather we should have an intermediate season for primative arms which would incompass muzzleloaders and crossbows. I have both and I can say their is a difference with the key being drawing and holding the arrow back while aiming...

But that is my 2 cents. I agree with Demonical and Ponts....there is a difference and the DNR guys can adjust the seasons if the numbers of animals taken needs to be increased.

I have nothing against crossbow hunting and do it myself, however I think Alberta has it right....
 
Morpheus32 said:
Oh ya....I don't think crossbows should be part of the archery season but rather we should have an intermediate season for primative arms which would incompass muzzleloaders and crossbows. I have both and I can say their is a difference with the key being drawing and holding the arrow back while aiming...

But that is my 2 cents. I agree with Demonical and Ponts....there is a difference and the DNR guys can adjust the seasons if the numbers of animals taken needs to be increased.

I have nothing against crossbow hunting and do it myself, however I think Alberta has it right....
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I like the idea of an Intermediate season in the rifle zone for crossbows and muzzle loaders......but the bow zone in AB should belong to bow hunters and in AB that means (held back by Muscular power) and crossbows are not :)
 
bone-collector said:
on the contrary D they are concidered 1 in the same and fall under the same catigory in some provinces ;)
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BC, nice to see someone that can make a point objectively.

Yeah I think the provinces all kind of interpret the laws differently. As Morpheus pointed out, the bow hunting laws in Alberta all originated during the time, when the Bow Zones were established around Calgary and Edmonton, and I agree that I think they got it exactly right.

I also think it is a good thing that Alberta now allows cross bow hunting because I see a lot of interest in them and in that extra hunting opportunity.
 
ponts said:
.....but the bow zone in AB should belong to bow hunters and in AB that means (held back by Muscular power) and crossbows are not :)
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So does that mean that compound bows, with lets say 75% let off, only get to hunt 25% of the season?
Whereas long bows and recurves require full "muscular power" to hold them back, so they can hunt the whole bow-only season? :p
Lets face it...you anti-crossbow guys think they shoot like laser beams or something. :eek:
It's a bow, get over it. :)
 
Morpheus32 said:
Oh ya....I don't think crossbows should be part of the archery season but rather we should have an intermediate season for primative arms which would incompass muzzleloaders and crossbows. I have both and I can say their is a difference with the key being drawing and holding the arrow back while aiming...

But that is my 2 cents. I agree with Demonical and Ponts....there is a difference and the DNR guys can adjust the seasons if the numbers of animals taken needs to be increased.

I have nothing against crossbow hunting and do it myself, however I think Alberta has it right....
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How can you have an intermediate season without bumping back rifle season?

I do like the idea, but not if rifle was moved back.
 
My whole point was, I do believe Crossbow hunting IS bow hunting, no matter which way you slice it. We will have to agree to disagree.:D And I am good with that. If I ruffled any feathers, my apologies, but it is better to have a decent discussion, and work it out, cause we are all in this together:D
 
Well, take into consideration that the person who originated this post is from Ontario.

Now, in Ontario, crossbow falls under the category of Bow, and there is a reason for that. There are quite a few areas, like the one that I hunt in, that are bow only... no rifle, no shotgun, no muzzleloader.. bow only.

a few reasons for that, in my area at least: the area is very residential with a heavily travelled highway nearby to the popular hunting locations (too many people, a rifle, etc. is too risky), to promote hunting in the area so as to control the deer population without changing the allowed hunting method, and to allow people like myself who are disabled in a manner that disallows them to be able to pull and hold a long, recurve, or compound bow (I've a severely damaged left shoulder, disabling certain mobility and strength in that side, if you must know), they have categorized the crossbow under the bow season.

These were some of the reasons given to me by a CO I decided to ask; he's a neighbor down the road from me, good guy by the way. He was kind enough to research my question a little; I owe him a couple beer this weekend now! LOL! As I said, a good guy.

So, all respect to people from other provinces and the regulations as they apply to you, but since the thread is about a guy from Ontario, maybe we should keep the statements made in relation to what is relevant to him.
 
beefman said:
So does that mean that compound bows, with lets say 75% let off, only get to hunt 25% of the season?
Whereas long bows and recurves require full "muscular power" to hold them back, so they can hunt the whole bow-only season? :p
Lets face it...you anti-crossbow guys think they shoot like laser beams or something. :eek:
It's a bow, get over it. :)
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Right and the Crossbow that you can leave loaded and ready to fire with one trigger pull the entire day is the same as holding back a compound bow (yes even with let-off). Give me ####in break......Let me guess you can hold your compound back the entire day at full draw right??

I'm not anti-crossbow but in Alberta under the law Crossbow hunting IS NOT the same as hunting with a Compound, long bow or recurve. BOW HUNTING in Alberta does not equal CROSSBOW HUNTING PERIOD. It is right in the regulations....go read them.

IMHO Crossbow hunting requires less practised skill and physical effort....the only thing that is the same is you use an arrow and you have to be close like hunting with a Compound, Recurve or longbow. #### crossbows even have scopes now.
 
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tyger75 said:
Well, take into consideration that the person who originated this post is from Ontario.

Now, in Ontario, crossbow falls under the category of Bow, and there is a reason for that. There are quite a few areas, like the one that I hunt in, that are bow only... no rifle, no shotgun, no muzzleloader.. bow only.

a few reasons for that, in my area at least: the area is very residential with a heavily travelled highway nearby to the popular hunting locations (too many people, a rifle, etc. is too risky), to promote hunting in the area so as to control the deer population without changing the allowed hunting method, and to allow people like myself who are disabled in a manner that disallows them to be able to pull and hold a long, recurve, or compound bow (I've a severely damaged left shoulder, disabling certain mobility and strength in that side, if you must know), they have categorized the crossbow under the bow season.

These were some of the reasons given to me by a CO I decided to ask; he's a neighbor down the road from me, good guy by the way. He was kind enough to research my question a little; I owe him a couple beer this weekend now! LOL! As I said, a good guy.

So, all respect to people from other provinces and the regulations as they apply to you, but since the thread is about a guy from Ontario, maybe we should keep the statements made in relation to what is relevant to him.
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yeah I agree poster is in Ontario.....I'm done posting in this thread as Alberta is not relevant here.
 
The real problem, as you mentionned is the high lung hit. If you want game to drop fast you need to hit BOTH lungs squarely or your in for a long wait.

The most frequent mistake most bowhunters/crossbowhunters make is shooting too high. Deer generally drop on shots, especially when they hear a crossbow twang. Also, if you are shooting from a tree stand aim slightly lower than where you think you want it to hit. The true distance on the ground is less than what you think it is due to the angle from you to the deer.
 
Yes, to get back on topic. Here is the original post.


JasonYuke said:
I have had the oppertunity to hunt in a zone that I can get a second tag, so last year i bought myself a excaliber cross bow, I admitt I used to bow hunt and was very unsuccess full about 20 years ago at the sport and gave it up mostly because of time.

So to make a long story Longer, I bought an excaliber and have seen many deer with while hunting this year, and finaly a nice meat deer that I was looking for stepped out at 25 yards quartering away.

I shoved an arrow into him i well placed shot into the lungs a bit high but a pass though. This was teh first big game animal I have experienced shooting.

I walked back to the house and had a coffee with my father and told him about the deer i seen and the dramma that unfolded as i shot.

about 30 mins had gone by since I walked out and seeing the shot and waiting now 40 mins i said alright lets go get him. I found my arrow, found his track and a good blood trail on the ground I followed him for about 75 to 100 yards and though I heard a crash? I said to my father I do not think he is dead? I think he is up, another 15 mins had passed making it 1 hour after i stuck him, and we took up the trail, sure as anything he did get up a pool of blood was on the where he was. I walked around the small rock face and there he was standing about 20 yards, I shot and slipped another arrow into his ribs, and he took off, now I looked at my father with and said, I can not believe this?

we heard him go down again, I reloaded and walked up to him ahe was not dead yet so I slipped one into the back of his head.

That was my first kill with a bow, and to be 100% honest I did not like what I seen. I would tell you if I mde a bad shot but i did not. I do not like to se anthing suffer, and this animal sure did that, It took him an hour to die.'

Some guys will say you should have left him longer and your right, But that animal still would have taken that long to Die?

I think I am done with bow hunting, I am glad I experienced it.
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The thing I note is that the shot was HIGH. But it was also fatal. A shot with a rifle in the same spot might not have been any more effective.

The other thing is the need for RAZOR SHARP broadheads, which someone else pointed out, along with proper shot placement.


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Okay, here's another thought; did you hunt with the same broadheads that you practiced with?
 
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And hunting with a crossbow is BOW hunting, not RIFLE hunting, or MUZZLE LOADER hunting, or whatever.

You might live in a jurisdiction where the provincial authorities decided that you cannot use a crossbow during the archery season. That doesn't mean SQUAT. Provincial authorities dance to the tune they are told to dance to. Like the province of Ontario outlawed the spring bear hunt for IDEOLOGICAL reasons, but pretended it was for BIOLOGICAL reasons. It never was about biology. :mad:

So if YOUR province has decided that a crossbow is not archery equipment, FINE. Your pinheads are no smarter than our pinheads. They are all government employees and do the government's bidding, because that is what they are paid to do. And that is a good thing, our civil servants work for us via our elected governments, no matter how WRONG the government may be on any issue. Welcome to democracy.............:rolleyes:

But some dumb government rule does not change an incontrovertiible FACT: hunting with a crossbow is BOW HUNTING. YOU might not like it, YOU might not choose to use a crossbow, YOU may have other opinions (to which you are surely entitled) but YOU cannot change that FACT. Crossbow hunting is a form of BOW HUNTING. A crossbow is a type of BOW, it is not a type of RIFLE. So let's all get along and agree that the guy is talking about BOW HUNTING, which he was engaged in before a bunch of FELLOW HUNTERS chose to s**t on him for his choice of equipment.

I might yet blow a gasket on this, like that thread where a bunch of pinheads jumped all over a fellow hunter who had ALLEGEDLY committed an offence and had not yet been found guilty. You know, one of those freedoms guaranteed by our Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms...........

Doug
 
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