Recap of World Shoot XV - Bali

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Here's a brief summation of the match, for those of you who are interested.

Bali is a hot, humid 3rd world country - think Mexico. No private ownership of guns is allowed in Bali to my knowledge, so we used a military range and went through a lot of security hold ups both arriving and departing. I truly do not know why the powers-that-be chose to support the tourist economy of an anti-gun country, but, whatever.

The match itself was 35 stages spread over six days. A typical day had you shooting 3 9 round stages, 2 16 round stages, and 1 32 round stage. The stages were really designed for open division in my opinion - no movement on the 9 rounders, 1-4 steps on the 16 and a little bit of running on the 32's, but only one long stage in the entire match was the run-n-gun type that I am used to. There were a lot of small plates at 15-20 m, usually some on every stage, and swingers on about every other stage.

One very big hassle was the match ammo. The 9mm ammo had extremely hard primers, such that my gun which has never, ever had a soft strike on any ammo i've fed it was having 4-5 misfires per day! Needless to say this can adversely affect your game. It was also really wussie, coming in at the chrono well under 125 PF. To top all of that, the stuff was expensive - we were charged about $25 US per box of 50, and I needed 800 rounds to finish a 600 round match (lots of small steel :eek:)

At the world shoot it becomes clear just how good shooters from around the world are. Canada's best showing in production was Cliff at 98th, and I crawled over the finish line a brutal 203rd. Part of that was due to the ammo, but still, yipes!

As we were leaving the country I noticed that my gun and mags had already started to rust, and not from lack of use. The humidity was quite intense.

Here's a couple of pics and movies.

This 9-rounder we sat in the rickshaw, strong hand tied down, and had to go into a half crouch to shoot the steel and paper over the vision barrier.
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This 9-rounder we had to shoot around a vision barrier at two swingers, a popper and two static targets.
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Here I am taking 3 (!) whole steps forward to then engage 4 paper and 1 popper.
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Vids.
Here on a 16 round stage you see two shooting positions, with a mag change between. Notice me having to clear a bad round at the first position. I found that often my follow up shot ended up being a mike, 'cause I was so flustered at the bad round and just blasted at the target and then moved on.
http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/JoeTucker_photos/?action=view&current=PA290096.flv

Here on a 32 rounder I took way too long. This should have been a 24 second stage (for the top guys) and for me it was 42-ish. Notice at the first port I get another bad round, but just keep pulling the trigger until it fires anyways. I was too close to the targets to rack that one out. Also notice the humidity caused the mag at my first mag change not to drop out freely, so I had to yank it out on the stroll over to the next position. There were poppers, small plates and swingers on this stage.
http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/JoeTucker_photos/?action=view&current=PA290103.flv

Quite the trip all in all, and got to play with the big boys.

Joe
 
Is there a link to a match copy somewhere?

Bummer about the ammo. That should not happen with match ammo. Specially at that price.


Oh and the next worlds is in THREE years.....not next year.
 
FWIW, Just a couple of nobody's that happened to be there, shot @ 700 rounds of 38 super (not friendly) and .40 with not a single flaw, jam, misfire or failure to eject. Gun, although not mine worked flawlessly, never had a reload issue. It was very hot and very humid and I shot like a freshman, sucks to be me, the pro's did not have bad days. It was definately a red dot match but the great shooters did prevail. One bad day put you out of the race because the top guys had no bad days. This was my first World shoot and although it was not the match i expected, if you could hit 6" at 40m, you were golden. Dont misunderstand me, on a good day I would never have been a contender but for people to complain about ammo and courses of fire is a poor excuse for a poor performance. more than 3/4 of the competitors used match ammo and I have seen no major complaints in this regard. Again, not meaning to offend but Joe they were just better so suck it up princess!!

Sig Moeller, IPSC ON, Grenville Fish and Games, Eastern ON :slap:
 
this was not the first I have heard of issues with the ammo and primers from Bali...the ammo should have worked 100%. IF you can run factory ammo thru it,...and this "match"ammo did not work reliably, than I would be pissed off. Spending $$$$ to go across the world expecting ammo to work.....well,...I think I would not go unless I took my own ammo.
 
Sig,
I am glad you have enjoyed Bali, I wish to go myself.
Please go to Global Village and read about all kinds of problems some shooters had with ammo, with ammo storage, lost ammo and so on...
My personal opinion,
matches like World Shoot should never been placed in III world countries.
My idea, Europe/USA, where there is no issues with security, bringing your own ammo and so on.
Next one is Greece. It should be good event, however, Greek do not allow reloaded ammo :(

Greetings
 
curtdad

Maybe I read Joe's comments differently then you did. I didn't get the impression he was making excuses . But bad ammo and having the worlds in a country that does not allow handgun ownership makes little sense to me. I read Rob Leathams reasons for not going and it came down to security for American shooters for him.

IPSC was born in the USA and why they don't have the worlds there is beyond me. Just a guess on my part but I suspect there are more IPSC/USPSA shooters in the US than there are in Bali or Greece for that matter.

Take Care

Bob
 
Stormbringer - go to http://www.worldshootbali.com/main.htm and click on Courses of Fire on the left side tool bar, right near the bottom of the page.

Sig - gosh, how could I take offence to your reply? "Suck it up princess"?
I finished at Bali at about 70% relative to Cliff Meek, which is in the ballpark of how I finished relative to him at the Canadian Nationals this year. I did not have any delusions that I would win anything at Bali. As somebody who measures myself against the top Canadian prodcution shooters, my point was that I was impressed by how much better other shooters from around the world are.
Having said that, you are completely wrong about the ammo I am afraid. 9mm match ammo primers were a problem this year, but for the most part not the other calibres, except a friend of mine found the brass on the match 40 got ripped apart by his extractor a few times.
Anyways, I hope you enjoyed Bali. Overall I did, and if anything it has inspired me to consider going into open, since those red dots are a HUGE advantage in a match like the one at Bali.
Joe
 
"The match itself was 35 stages spread over six days"
Whoa, that's alot of stages. Cool.

I figure if I spent the money to fly to Bali (Why hold the event in Bali is a good question.) and had ammo issues, (With really expensive ammo I had to buy), or thought the stages sucked I'd probably be a tad miffed myself. Might even mention it to 'friends' at CGN.
 
pottsy said:
(Why hold the event in Bali is a good question.)
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The world shoot location is decided by a vote by the IPSC General Assembly. Each Region (country) has one vote regardless of the size of its IPSC membership. From what I've been led to believe, the IPSC president panders to the 'third world' regions of IPSC to maintain his power base. I could be wrong.......
 
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Dragoon said:
The world shoot location is decided by a vote by the IPSC General Assembly. Each Region (country) has one vote regardless of the size of its IPSC membership. From what I've been led to believe, the IPSC president panders to the 'third world' regions of IPSC to maintain his power base. I could be wrong.......
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I thought panders only lived in China. They won't be hosting a world shoot any time soon. :D
 
Dragoon said:
The world shoot location is decided by a vote by the IPSC General Assembly. Each Region (country) has one vote regardless of the size of its IPSC membership. From what I've been led to believe, the IPSC president panders to the 'third world' regions of IPSC to maintain his power base. I could be wrong.......
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I think that is not reasonable....larger member regions should have a vote that reflects the countries number of IPSC participants.

I was really hoping for North America,...but,...my wife really wants to discover Greece,...so two birds one stone
 
Thanks for the summary Joe, if anything it's told me it's a good thing I don't aspire to IPSC greatness since I am pretty sure I wouldn't have enjoyed the match very much.

Anyways, I hope you enjoyed Bali. Overall I did, and if anything it has inspired me to consider going into open, since those red dots are a HUGE advantage in a match like the one at Bali.
Joe
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One thing to keep in mind is an advantage like a red dot is only there if you are competing against other people with red dots. If you're in production or standard then everyone else in those divisions are in the same boat as you - normal sights. (So it's all relative). Open is definitely fun though :)
 
Its a World Shoot - it's supposed to be tough.

Most da/sa guys would have problems with the match ammo as they use CCI primers I believe for the ammo. A harder primer to set off with those lightened up PD triggers.
 
Thanks for the shots! Glad you're back, did Jr. go with ya?

P.S. There's tons of room in open for you!
 
Hey tgt40 :wave:
Didn't bring jr - probably for the best, he would have been very frustrated.
Open ... mmmmm.... its worth thinking about, thats for sure. Watching open shooters you can definitely appreciate the way they move so precisely, keeping the gun always in the sweet spot in front of the eyes etc... Definitely skills I want to have, and do not have right now.
 
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