Lube..how does it work?

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Um, no, not that way...:rolleyes:

Anyhow, Todd Spotti wrote about his testing Shooters Choice gun grease on un-lubed Wolf Match Target .22 LR ammo, and found that, after replacing the factory lube with the gun grease, his "new" groups measured .178” to the factory-lubed ammo's .140”. :eek:

Have you guys ever tried an experiment like this; comments? :cool:
 
simple answer

just like you run about 1 bullet per inch after cleaning or when testing new ammo after cleaning to

"coat the bore or condition the bore or re-condition the bore"

just makes the bullet run truer from shot to shot,

just makes the barrel imperfections less obvious (sort of)

and also makes the bullet that is being shot a little more consistenct from bullet to bullet, (ie they all lokk and feel the same and hopefully act the same)

JUST TAKE THE LUBE OFF OF 10 BULLETS AND SHOOT 2 5 SHOT GROUPS IN A INDOOR RANGE,


and 10 lubed ones in 2 5 shot groups and look at point of impact and group size,


wish I could be more technical but cannot ifnd the rimfire central post explaining it in more detail

Jefferson
 
Jefferson said:
wish I could be more technical but cannot ifnd the rimfire central post explaining it in more detail
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You did just fine. :D

I really was wondering about "applying your own lube" to ammunition to help aid accuracy - I think there's significant room for improving "mediocre" ammunition this way, and you may agree when I drop the following information...:)

However, before going down that road, I just want to identify two important features present on nearly all .22 cartridges: (1) the cannelure (2) the gas check ring. The former is found in that "ring of vertical lines", and can be described as "a knurled groove impressed in a ring around the bullet, used to hold grease lubricant". The latter is that deep ring indented/cut into or near the base of the bullet, and can be described as "a cup made of harder metal, such as copper, placed at the base of the bullet and used to decrease lead deposits by protecting the rear of the bullet against melting when fired at higher pressures". While gas checks are regularly used with high velocity/cast bullets you have to recall that, because the bullets of .22's are usually totally lead - they are rarely "cut"/mixed with metals like tin or antimony - they too use gas checks to reduce leading, even if their velocities are not quite "up there"....:rolleyes:

By the way, you may recognize the "quoted" sections above from (1) corbins.com and (2) wikipedia. :redface: Feel free to correct/savage/tear-apart my above explanatory paragraph. :p

Okay, so here's what I found when going through the bulets just from my basic go-to .22 ammo-stash:

CCI Minimag: 1 "cannelure ring" indented into the bullet, very shallow and thin gas-check

CCI Short: 1 "cannelure ring" of internal type (indented into the bullet), wider deeper gas check than the Minimag's

CCI CB Long: 1 external-type "cannelure ring" (not indented into the bullet), wider/deeper gas check than the Minimag's

CCI Stinger: No cannelure rings, and a gas check similar to the Minimag's

Now, lest you think that CCI skimps on its cannelure ring's...:

CCI Blazer: 3 cannelure rings, though of the external-type, and a gas-check similar to that of the Minimag (shallow and thin)

Off of CCI for a moment...:

Federal "American Eagle" solids: 3 "external-type" cannelure rings, with a Minimag-like gas-check (sometimes). Note that there was variance with regard to the size of the gas check, with it sometimes being more defined than the Minimag's, and sometimes even less defined.

Federal 525-"bulk pack" hollowpoint: 2 "external-type" cannelure rings, and with a narrow gas-check much like the Minimag's

Remington Golden "bulk pack" hollowpoint: 3 "external-type" cannelure rings, but odd regarding a gas check - either there is none, or the gap between the case and where the bullet sits must serve as the gas check (comments are welcome).

Winchester Wildcat .22 solids: 3 "external-type" cannelure rings, with a Minimag-like gas-check

Winchester Super-X .22 solids: 3 "external-type" cannelure rings, with a gas-check even less generous than the Minimag's

Conclusion: Well, to be brief - more later - there seems to be plenty of room (with cannelure rings and gas check circles) to add lube to the "cheaper" ammunition like CCI Blazers, Federal/American Eagle's and the Remington Goldens (and potentially aid accurate shooting). Like I said, more later..:cool:
 
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since you were not offended

in my spelling or lack of precise wording I shall continue.

in some rimfire disciplines in the usa (ara and so on) some of the organizations do not permit one to lube the bullet .
It must be loaded as it came from the factory.

I should place a post on rimfire central or the rimfire board of benchrest central and ask how does one lube the bullet

some of the usa shooters I email have said they lube bullets say eley target rifle in the yellow box to act like match eps. They may not be able to lube them for a registered match but for practice it does just fine,

do not know how they apply lube but i can tell you one thing for sure,

LAST YEAR OLD BILL CALFEE GOT CAUGHT WITH HIS MAGICAL ELEY AMMO BEING JUNK ON THE OLD LUBE DEPARTMENT. some very good shooters were rubbing off the lube on some higher end stuff causing quite a stir.

In fact some name calling and offering to pay for calfee to attend some matches when the bullets were keyholing on the target at 50 yards, because of too much lube, calfee called them all liers and some very good shooters came onto the forum and said, I have seen it and posted some targets and said they were using eley ammo lot number and product number.

It works but i do not know how to apply it properly nor what to use for lube,

I will ask on those boards,

later Jefferson
 
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Very interesting Jefferson, thanks for posting that :)

How did you pull the bullets without deforming them? Every time I`ve pulled a .22lr bullet, it`s come out all bent and out of shape from my pliers.
 
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