Speaking of Russian rifles..

Google is not the only way to find out about things

SVT-40:

If I had known what it was,I wouldn't have asked.

I see from your many posts that you have had much to say.
 
jimbubba said:
What's an arshin?

oh yeah.Here ya go:

http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/units/length/length.arshin.en.html

Your post makes no sense,to me,at least,Peverspepere.What are you trying to say?
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Simple: someone suggested that the rifle we are talking about was an M-91/30.
From what I see on your link
http://public.fotki.com/pluckycanucky/russian-riflewhat-is-it/
I can say with some certitude that it is an M-91.
That's why I said we were many arshins (paces, meters, yards, miles) from an M-91/30...
Anyway, it is a Mosin and a nice one, and that's what's important. :)
PP.
 
If it's not 91/30 than what is it? 30 denominates caliber in 'lines' = three lines, which is 7.62. Are you saying that this is not a 'three liner'?
 
svt-40 said:
If it's not 91/30 than what is it? 30 denominates caliber in 'lines' = three lines, which is 7.62. Are you saying that this is not a 'three liner'?
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Just take a look at the rear sight, shape of the upper handguard and overall proportions: this is enough to say it is an M-91 and an old one at that.
Three lines refers to the caliber and not to the model: in fact, they are all "three liners".
PP.:)
 
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An arshin apart.I'll have to remember that.

I have now rumbled around Google and ebay and seen more pictures and gotten more info.It does seem to me to be a M91(course I profess no expertise),if for no other reasons than the 3 sling swivels and the date stamp of 1919.
Did the 30 in M91/30 refer to the year of first manufacture,ie,1930,or just to a different variant?Or the calibre?
Now I am on the hunt for a correct bayonet.Does the commonly available 91/30 fit all models?

Thanks again.
 
Hey Jim

in 1930 they modernised the design and all new rifles were built to this standard. Older rifles were brought up to this standard. One of the main cosmetic differences is the hexagonal receiver was changed to a rounded receiver, among some smaller differences.
 
jimbubba said:
Did the 30 in M91/30 refer to the year of first manufacture,ie,1930,or just to a different variant?Or the calibre?
Thanks again.
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The 30 in the m91/30 means in 1930 they took the m1891 and shortened the barrel. All Mosin-Nagant 1891 rifles made after 1930 were called 91/30's, not just ones made in 1930, to note the fact that changes were made to the design in 1930.There may have been other changes but not that I am aware of.
 
cote_b said:
They kept the hex reciever until 1936 I believe. I have a 1934 91/30 and it still has the hex reciever.
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The round receiver was fielded by the Reds as a means of simplifying and cutting on the number of operations to get a finished receiver.
But, being hard pressed to rearm their soldiers, they made use of every available receiver they still had in arsenal.
Sometimes they defaced the Czar's crest on the receiver, sometimes they didn't take or didn't have the time to do it.

The Finn, being a very small neighbor to the big Red Russian Bear, decided that using the same weapons as their most evident foe was the best solution: at least, they could use their enemy's ammo and forget about supply lines in a pinch.
But they always strived to make their rifles better than their adversaries: they tuned the actions, shimmed the stock/receiver's contact points and exchanged Russian stocks for a practical warp-free two-piece design made of arctic birch, better adapted to the rigorous conditions of their winter and more economical to produce.
They modified rear sights to read in meters and allow for better 100 meter shooting and the up-close fighting their forest land guaranteed.
On the M-91/30, they quickly replaced the clogging-prone protected front sight by an exposed triangular blade. Truth is, a Finn Mosin-Nagant is a real fighting rifle and, most of the time, it has seen the elephant.
All this to tell you one thing: when you discover an old, tired and ugly Finn Mosin, try to read its story then clean it and go to the range.
You might be in for a surprise!
PP.:)
 
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