Metric Targets - gone?

Freedom Ventures said:
Since then, our existing exemptions are on shakey ground (with yearly threats to revoke) and as such, we also have no grounds for an exemption on targets.
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What are the existing exemptions as a matter of interest?

Personally I don't like the classic target, because the lack of a B-zone always annoys me. I always thought they should have put a B-zone box above the A-zone cutting through the C-zone, because people have a tendency to shoot high imx and miss the A-zone, but let's face it, it's still a fairly central hit so it shouldn't be penalized so much.

Either that or reletter the C and D zones as B and C.

At the very least if one type of target is going to be ditched there should be another type of target to replace it to add a bit of variety. Something with square corners so you can tape them off for challenging shots, which you can't do with the classic target.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
USPSA is both USPSA and an IPSC region. For USPSA matches, they have thier own rules. For IPSC matches, they follow the IPSC rule book. USPSA decided to do this a few years ago. Since then, our existing exemptions are on shakey ground (with yearly threats to revoke) and as such, we also have no grounds for an exemption on targets.
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Since our exemptions were granted based on our proximity to the U.S. and the number of Canadian shooters that regularly compete there, would you please explain why "we also have no grounds for an exemption on targets" Who is making these yearly threats? Why can we not ask for more exemptions? When will we become Area 9? :D
 
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Where do we find out which regions voted for or against the Metric Target.

Also I find it very interesting that we held the worlds in a country that forbids personal firearms ownership??????

If a country or person didn't like the metric target no one forced them to use it. unlike they now force us to use the classic??? Unless of course we use nothing but poppers and plates.

Is the Metric popper also banned??

supermag
 
um we didn't have the Worlds in a country that forbids personal firearms ownership. there were plenty of Indonesian shooters at the match. as well they were the only ones who stepped up to the plate and offered to host the 2008 World Shoot, so unless you were willing to host the match you have zero right to complain.
 
pmt said:
Since our exemptions were granted based on our proximity to the U.S. and the number of Canadian shooters that regularly compete there, would you please explain why "we also have no grounds for an exemption on targets"
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What part of
For IPSC matches, they follow the IPSC rule book.
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did you not understand?
 
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I understood that the only time they must follow IPSC rules is for Level IV and V matches.

I would be good with the same rule..

No UN PC metric targets for Level IV and V matches..........

Easy Peasy
 
stormbringer said:
I understood that the only time they must follow IPSC rules is for Level IV and V matches.

I would be good with the same rule..

No UN PC metric targets for Level IV and V matches..........

Easy Peasy
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Nope. If it's an IPSC match in the USA, it follows the IPSC rule book - the catch is...they don't run many IPSC matches in the USA.
IPSC USA as part of USPSA is lipservice that keeps USPSA affiliated with IPSC (and that's probably part of the reason they lost the vote for the World Shoot.)

Here's my final comments:

1. I feel the same as most of you. I don't believe that the Metric Target should have been removed, and Canada voted accordingly. I like the ability to have a different target. I feel it presents a different challenge. I could care less if the top of it is considered a "head". I'm shooting for sport at a different scoring zone, not living in some fantasy that I'm fending off attackers.

2. The USA inadvertently screwed us by separating thier USPSA and IPSC. When they did that, we lost our ability to say "but they do it in the US." Our only recourse in this case is to do the same thing (which I wrote about in Diligentia! :slap: ) and not just for 140mm mags, 115 gr bullets and metric targets, but also for idiotic ideas like IPSC Airsoft. I'm willing to go down that route, but I need a mandate from the NEC. Talk with your section coordinator - don't just :runaway: about it here. Keep in mind the downside - at a minimum - we'll have to build our own rulebook and our own match approval systems. The US' 17,000 people has the population to manage it - does ours?

3. As of Jan 1, when the new rulebook comes out, all our exemptions expire. (They are linked to the existing rule book) I will apply for renewal. If the NEC says I should also add in Metric Targets, well sure - I'll do it. Based on my experience of dealing with the President's council and General Assembly over the last 10 years, do I think it will be approved? Not a snowball's chance in hell. :(
 
Sean, in talking with people at the WS they felt we would have a good chance to get an exemption on the targets, even though the USA wouldn't be using them in "IPSC" matches.
 
One thing I will say here is that the biggest mistake I think ISSF ever made was doing away with humanoid targets. People look at Olympic shooting events now as some sort of esoteric endeavour and wonder what the hell it's all about.

They forget that at one point ISSF wasn't that much different to IPSC. This is what always makes me laugh, like back in 2006 when the Liberals were talking about exempting ISSF stuff for "elite" shooters, etc.

Read the ISSF rule book. Centrefire ISSF goes up to 9.6mm maximum calibre, I think it is, and they used to have humanoid targets. ISSF is still popular in Germany with 9mm and .38s, where people get this idea that you "have" to use .32 S&W Long out of some artsy-farty target pistol I don't know, but politicians seem to have decided that's all that is used in ISSF (hence the 12(6) exemption list).

Afraid not, I've got a couple of P226 sport models that I bought in Europe that were specifically designed for use in ISSF events.

And I agree that allowing airsoft (or more accurately, gas-powered pistol) in IPSC is total foolishness. Okay fair enough, in regions like the UK and Japan they should be allowed to have competitions locally with an exemption but mandating it is stupid.

I shot enough matches in the UK with a Walther CP88 to know that it's a really silly idea (bizarrely one of them used metric targets!)
 
Freedom Ventures said:
What part of did you not understand?
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Thanks for the stupid f**king answer. I understand when/where they use each rule book.
My question was ...since we currently enjoy a few exemptions, why do we have no grounds to ask for another? This was asked before your post stating that we would lose our exemptions on Jan 1.

No reply necessary.
 
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