New Over & Unders - For Birds Ducks and Grouse

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:)Hi There (New To The Site!!!)

Looking for thoughts......Looking to buy First O/U Shot Gun - Price Range will go as high as $3000. What do I want to do with it? Shoot Ducks, and grouse, with my new Dog and shot a bit of sport clay at the club. Looking for Brands and suggestions. I would like to buy New! I only have Guns I shoot in my collection......

Thanks

Little Shooter :confused:
 
If you are over 40 years of age, get a Weatherby Athena Grade 4 classic. Beautiful and classy shotgun.

If you want some insane wood grain, check out the Beretta 686 Onyx Pro O/U Upland.

Browning Citori Super Lightning Grade 1 ( Wholesale Sports has one on sale right now in 26" 12 G )

Winchester 101 Sporting is quite nice. I don't think many people think of Winchester for DB shotguns but they make a bloody nice O/U .
 
Beretta all the way for late season Ducks and Geese take a look at this one the New SV 10 Perennia with the Kick Off.I have just ordered one last week they say it should be in late winter early spring.As for price they are saying between 3000 3500 from what I have been told but that depends on the Canadian dollar again.

http://www.sv10perennia.com/
Kick Off
http://www.sv10perennia.com/index.aspx?m=53&did=3065

Good Luck
 
X2 for Beretta but be aware of the difference between sporting guns and field guns. Most sporting guns don't have an 'automatic' safety and the safety must be manually engaged whereas field guns will often engage the safety immediately upon closing the action. Not that it's a big deal but without a routine, it can be aggravating.

The 'best' advice is usually to find a couple of guys who will let you test drive theirs and see what you like best.
 
No one gun is going to be ideal for all situations. What are you going to do MOST with this gun? If clays and waterfowl then a 12 gauge, 30" gun is more suitable but it will be a heavy gun to tote around in the uplands.

If you are primarily an upland shooter with clays and waterfowl further down on the list consider a 20 gauge with 28" barrels. It will be lighter and easier to carry and with the properl shells will still reach out far enough to hit ducks and clays.

Of the brands Browning and Beretta are the standards by which all others are judged. Other brands to look at at the Caeaser Guerini, FAIR and the Fabarm. They are all good guns.

What will matter most is whether the gun fits. The Italian guns generally come with a stock bent for a right handed shooter while the Brownings usually have straighter stocks.

Having owned both I prefer the Beretta over the Browning because of the lower profile receiver, safety/selector set up and because the Beretta action is not open on the bottom like the Browning.

Don't be in a hurry to buy this gun. Take your time. Try some if you can and find the one that feels right to you.
 
R1-Dave said:
If you are over 40 years of age, get a Weatherby Athena Grade 4 classic. Beautiful and classy shotgun.
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The Athena is a tarted up SKB. You pay extra money for some cosmetic enhancements and the Weatherby name.

If you want some insane wood grain, check out the Beretta 686 Onyx Pro O/U Upland.
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It's not real wood. It's Xtra-Wood, the shotgunning equivalent of breast implants. Both look good from a distance but the fakes are easily spotted when uncased.

Winchester 101 Sporting is quite nice. I don't think many people think of Winchester for DB shotguns but they make a bloody nice O/U .
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Winchester not known for double guns? :confused:

They have a long double gun history with the Model 21, 101 (new and old), 24, 23, among others. The current 101 is Belgian-made while the earlier ones were made in Japan. The Sporting 101 is ported which is something to be aware of if the gun will be used in the field. Ported guns are much louder and generally not welcome in a duck blind.
 
" Tarted-up" ? Who cares ?

I didn't say it was real wood.

I said people don't think of Winchester, not that Winchester was not " known " for double guns.

Too loud ? All guns are loud ! Maybe the guy wants something cool and doesn't need a perfect-for-the-situation gun to make himself look like a pro.

:shotgun: :slap:
 
R1-Dave said:
" Tarted-up" ? Who cares ?

I didn't say it was real wood.

I said people don't think of Winchester, not that Winchester was not " known " for double guns.

Too loud ? All guns are loud ! Maybe the guy wants something cool and doesn't need a perfect-for-the-situation gun to make himself look like a pro.

:shotgun: :slap:
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He is looking for a 3-$3500 O/U. :rolleyes: What is a pro?
 
Little Shooter, welcome!

I notice that you are in Peterborough and much closer to Accuracy Plus....nevertheless, suggest you take a trip to Epps (in Orillia) as they usually always have a much larger inventory on site for first hand inspection.

Recommend first inspect the Berettas starting with the 686 White Onyx, 686 Silver Pigeon S, 687 Silver Pigeon C (case colored receiver) etc. These firearms are basically the same in build quality - exception being the "upper end" models (686/687 SPs) have upgraded wood/more embellished receivers etc. I have had an opportunity to own/use each of those and failed to see huge differences other than cosmetics.

Subsequently, inspect the Brownings - look at both Citoris and the Cynergys.

Depending on how one is physically built - you may find the Beretta profiles slimmer/lighter when compared to the Brownings.

I would also look long and hard at a Caesar Guerini, however, I'm afraid the dealers here do not carry a variety of such.

Most importantly, I would pay heed to input such as that offered by Claybuster in order to be able to take a more informed decision once you have had an opportunity to check out the shotguns.

At a more personal level - in a situation like this, I would go for a 686 White Onyx or 686 SP (field models) and invest the rest of the $ on a quality semi-auto (Beretta 391 or Benelli M2) if I didn't have one. IMHO, this way one would be covered for Upland, Waterfowl as well as Range use.

In view of the price hike rumors going around....suggest take advantage of the current prices (I notice those haven't changed so far at Epps but you may still wish to shop around).

Best of luck :)
 
Good advice from AA and Claybuster....

my .02 worth, really try to get your hands on some of these guns, handle them, swing them, and if possible, borrow one and shoot them - if you can take the time and effort to do that, it can save you a lot of money!

They all look and feel great in the shop.......
 
Ducks, grouse, and clays. You don't need a 12 gauge magnum gun for that. I'd say look for a LIGHT 12 ga (2-3/4" only) or a 20 ga. This will be your grouse gun. In the future, you'll want a gun for geese. Then go buy a gun for geese. You can easily get two fabulous guns for $3,000.
 
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" Tarted-up" ? Who cares ?
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Perhaps the guy asking advice might care. If you want to piss your money away on a fancy name, sideplates and overpriced machine engraving be my guest. You can buy the same gun for less or for the same amount buy a better gun.

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I didn't say it was real wood.
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Actually you did. Check your original post.

R1-Dave said:
"If you want some insane wood grain,
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What you see on the Onyx Pro is not wood grain.

R1-Dave said:
Too loud ? All guns are loud ! Maybe the guy wants something cool and doesn't need a perfect-for-the-situation gun to make himself look like a pro.
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It doesn't sound like you've spent much time around ported guns. Bringing one into a duck blind isn't "cool" or the way to make yourself look like a "pro," quite the opposite in fact.
 
If I was spending that kind of money I'd buy a Beretta (new) or a fine Superposed (used). All this is with the proviso that the gun fits. My Superposed fits nicely when I shoulder and shoot reflexively, but not when I start with the gun mounted. If I had the money (and inclination) I'd get it restocked professionally to fit me like a glove.
 
Well Thanks Guys.......Lots of input. I am over 40.....Just I think, and I do Thank all of you for your advice. I have a Browning Gold Shot Gun for most of my other needs and a few more toys, but I will keep looking and learning. Please keep me in mined, I would like to buy new...I don't change or swap my toys very often.

Different topic.....did not see a forum for this. Are any of you Small Munsterlander Dog owners?

Thanks

Littleshooter
 
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BigUglyMan said:
If I was spending that kind of money I'd buy a Beretta (new) or a fine Superposed (used). All this is with the proviso that the gun fits. My Superposed fits nicely when I shoulder and shoot reflexively, but not when I start with the gun mounted. If I had the money (and inclination) I'd get it restocked professionally to fit me like a glove.
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I just sold an old Superposed, great shotguns!:dancingbanana:
I have shot about everything out there and own most (except for Merkel Perazzi and Kreigoff)

Berretas are nice, as are Brownings, , but an FN made Superposed, is superb!
Guerrinis are VERY good value for the moneyas are Rizzinis and FAIRS - I prefer the FAIRS over the Riziinis I own.
If you already know how to shoot a shotgun well, do not shy away from a 26 - 28" barreled 20 gauge , it will shoot skeet, clays and trap well enough , but is deadly on partridge,pheasents , ducks and geese.
HOWEVER, like I stated I would not go after geese with a 20 unless you already are a decent shotgunner and understand the game.
There are some nice 20's for sale as well as 12's on the EE at the moment....
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