coup de grâce

[sealhunter]

Ya, there'd be no exit hole from that.....lol

Not sure why you draw a line between saving the cape and allowing the animal to suffer........I say animal first too but not at the expense of the cape on a trophy animal.

Well, I won't get into my trophy hunting rants as they are well overdone here on many a thread, ... usually by me as well...

but...

What you are saying, does not apply. You say you have a method to quickly dispatch an animal for which you want to save the cape, so the situation for you may never arise.

You say that you believe "animal first, but not at the expense of a trophy cape" So what would you do with a gut shot animal or an animal , that you were not able to get behind for a knife job.

No matter the cape, I'd finish the animal off.

However, our debating that is pointless, as I am not a trophy hunter, so the value of animal, cape and hunt is different for us.

 

[sheephunter]

You say that you believe "animal first, but not at the expense of a trophy cape" So what would you do with a gut shot animal or an animal , that you were not able to get behind for a knife job.

If you'd have read my earlier post....I said heart shot or knife......obviously the situation dictates. Just because one hunts for horns and meat does not make them any less caring.....or ethical.......

I really didn't pose this question to start a trophy hunting debate.....I was just curious what other horn hunters did to quickly and ethically dispatch an animal where they wanted to save the cape and horns! I find another bullet to the heart or a knife to the back of the skull does the trick.......sorry you read so much more into it!

Careful though....it can be a long fall from that high horse!

 

[martinbns]

When I was in Africa I shot a Rowland Ward Mountain Reedbuck which weighed about 70 lbs soaking wet. It was facing me quartering slightly away and the PH at the last second told me not to shoot for the shoulder I would ruin the mount. So I basically shot it's ass off at about 200 metres with a 300 win mag and a 168 gr TSX bullet. Here are two pics, the trophy pic first and then the gruesome one including the knife to the base of the skull.

Then the blood and guts

Not sure I would jump on a big thrashing trophy whitetail, but the tracker didn't even hesitate, all 120 lbs of him.

 

[archie126]

When I was in Africa I shot a Rowland Ward Mountain Reedbuck which weighed about 70 lbs soaking wet. It was facing me quartering slightly away and the PH at the last second told me not to shoot for the shoulder I would ruin the mount. So I basically shot it's ass off at about 200 metres with a 300 win mag and a 168 gr TSX bullet. Here are two pics, the trophy pic first and then the gruesome one including the knife to the base of the skull.

Then the blood and guts

Not sure I would jump on a big thrashing trophy whitetail, but the tracker didn't even hesitate, all 120 lbs of him.

So this animal was killed as a trophy only??

 

[sealhunter]

If you'd have read my earlier post....I said heart shot or knife......obviously the situation dictates. Just because one hunts for horns and meat does not make them any less caring.....or ethical.......

I really didn't pose this question to start a trophy hunting debate.....I was just curious what other horn hunters did to quickly and ethically dispatch an animal where they wanted to save the cape and horns! I find another bullet to the heart or a knife to the back of the skull does the trick.......sorry you read so much more into it!

Careful though....it can be a long fall from that high horse!

I don't believe I said anything to put me on a high horse,
I don't believe I said anything about hunter ethics,

You're manipulating what I said to come to a conclusion that has no basis in anything I posted.

If you want hunt an animal for it's horns, that is your decision and must fit into the hunting methods and morals you subscribe to.

I hunt within the ones I subscribe to. Doesn't put me on a high horse

 

[esquif]

this is why i would love to pack a ruger mk 2 pistol when hunting

 

[sealhunter]

When I was in Africa I shot a Rowland Ward Mountain Reedbuck which weighed about 70 lbs soaking wet. It was facing me quartering slightly away and the PH at the last second told me not to shoot for the shoulder I would ruin the mount. So I basically shot it's ass off at about 200 metres with a 300 win mag and a 168 gr TSX bullet. Here are two pics, the trophy pic first and then the gruesome one including the knife to the base of the skull.

Then the blood and guts

Not sure I would jump on a big thrashing trophy whitetail, but the tracker didn't even hesitate, all 120 lbs of him.

So for sake of the trophy, instead of your initial thought to shoot in the shoulder area, you "shot it's ass off" and it needed a knife to the head to finish it,

Yup, i'm on a high horse alright

Sorry, but no matter the animal or the cape or the trophy, I would not intentionally shoot an animal in an area that with a well placed shot, would not result in an effective kill.

 

[sheephunter]

I don't believe I said anything to put me on a high horse,
I don't believe I said anything about hunter ethics,

You're manipulating what I said to come to a conclusion that has no basis in anything I posted.

If you want hunt an animal for it's horns, that is your decision and must fit into the hunting methods and morals you subscribe to.

I hunt within the ones I subscribe to. Doesn't put me on a high horse

Glad to hear you respect my desire to trophy hunt and understand that we can share the same ethics, despite the fact that you are a meat hunter.

 

[Northman999]

I always deliver a head shot, unless my game is stone dead already.

 

[sealhunter]

Glad to hear you respect my desire to trophy hunt and understand that we can share the same ethics, despite the fact that you are a meat hunter.

and that is exactly it.... I can argue with you about my way versus your way, and I think mine is better, or that yours is better, etc etc etc.
... but ultimately, if what you do is legal hunting, the arguement is only personal preference and difference, I respect anyones "right/desire/privledge" to trophy hunt, but don't mind a debate now and then about it.

 

[sheephunter]

and that is exactly it.... I can argue with you about my way versus your way, and I think mine is better, or that yours is better, etc etc etc.
... but ultimately, if what you do is legal hunting, the arguement is only personal preference and difference, I respect anyones "right/desire/privledge" to trophy hunt, but don't mind a debate now and then about it.

Good to hear. I have no interest in arguing with you at all about your desire to hunt meat and mine to hunt horns/meat. I think what you are doing is great and as long as you do it legally and within generally accepted ethics, why would I say anything but way to go! I'm confused why you keep saying you love to debate about trophy hunting though. I don't see the debate.....

All for hearing your thoughts though...in a seperate thread of course!

 

[archie126]

So for sake of the trophy, instead of your initial thought to shoot in the shoulder area, you "shot it's ass off" and it needed a knife to the head to finish it,

Yup, i'm on a high horse alright

Sorry, but no matter the animal or the cape or the trophy, I would not intentionally shoot an animal in an area that with a well placed shot, would not result in an effective kill.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[sealhunter]

Good to hear. I have no interest in arguing with you at all about your desire to hunt meat and mine to hunt horns/meat. I think what you are doing is great and as long as you do it legally and within generally accepted ethics, why would I say anything but way to go! I'm confused why you keep saying you love to debate about trophy hunting though. I don't see the debate.....

All for hearing your thoughts though...in a seperate thread of course!

I don't love to debate it, I don't mind debating now and then on lots of things.

When it is accepted and understood that that you respect someones "right/desire/privledge" to do something, but do have personal preferences or differences, ..debate can be very constructive in helping understand another's reasoning, point of view and motivation.

 

[sheephunter]

I don't love to debate it, I don't mind debatingnow and then on lots of things.

When it is accepted and understood that that you respect someones "right/desire/privledge" to do something, but do have personal preferences or differences, ..debate can be very constructive in helping understand another's reasoning, point of view and motivation.

I'm still confused where the debate lies.......both of us are ethical/law abiding hunters that hunt for different reasons........I don't see a debate here as all it sounds like would happen would be me defending the way I hunt. I've got no issues with you hunting strictly for meat...... Do you have issues with me hunting for larger than average specimens providing I follow the letter of the law and abide by commonly accepted ethics?

This is where the high horse comes riding in........

 

[sealhunter]

dbt


Do you see reason to debate anything that is legal then?

If you look at the post with the pics from africa with an animal that had it's ass shot off simply because it was a trophy, ... it was legal...

You are confused how a debate could arise from this?

 

[archie126]

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[sheephunter]

dbt


Do you see reason to debate anything that is legal then?

If you look at the post with the pics from africa with an animal that had it's ass shot off simply because it was a trophy, ... it was legal...

You are confused how a debate could arise from this?

Lots of room for debate in many things but I'm still confused what you think is wrong with trophy hunting providing the letter of the law is followed as are commonly accepted ethics.......such as ensuring a quick/clean kill as I pointed out in post #4, utilizing all of the meat, fair chase, etc. I still can't help but feeling you are reigning that high horse in....come on, tell me what you think is wrong with me hunting the way I do so the debate can begin......remember, I've got no issues with the way you do things....at least what I've seen of your posts on here so pretty hard for me to precipitate this debate you keep going on about. What is the debate?

 

[Murf]

It hardly seems the African animal had its ass shot off. Seems more like a spine shot just back of the ribs.
As for finishing an animal I will head or neck shoot unless I am keeping the cape either to have mounted myself or to give to a friend who does taxidermy. In those cases a heart shot does the job almost as fast as a head shot.
Only problem I have had doing this was when i lit up a pronghorn whe3n heart shooting iot with a muzzleloader. I forgot just how much flame it belches and actually had the hide catch fire.

 

[sealhunter]

Lots of room for debate in many things but I'm still confused what you think is wrong with trophy hunting providing the letter of the law is followed as are commonly accepted ethics.......such as ensuring a quick/clean kill as I pointed out in post #4, utilizing all of the meat, fair chase, etc. I still can't help but feeling you are reigning that high horse in....come on, tell me what you think is wrong with me hunting the way I do so the debate can begin......remember, I've got no issues with the way you do things....at least what I've seen of your posts on here so pretty hard for me to precipitate this debate you keep going on about. What is the debate?

right there is where the debate comes in..

we've hijacked this thread enough, lets start another if we wish to continue.

 

[sheephunter]

providing the letter of the law is followed as are commonly accepted ethics.......such as ensuring a quick/clean kill as I pointed out in post #4, utilizing all of the meat, fair chase

Not much room for debate there other than the definition of fair chase but how is that germane to trophy hunting? That applies to all hunting types. You keep going back to trophy hunting when it appears you have problems with certain actions. There is unquestionably room for debate on lots of subjects but I'm still totally confused what your issue is with me hunting for mature animals. Stick to the topic and help me here. What is the debate....let the new thread begin because I have no idea what you are beating around the bush about!