Norinco M-14, M1 Garand

Bobby Ironsights

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Hi, so I'm seeing the similarity between these two rifles.

Let's say I had a stripped M1 Garand reciever, and a norc. m14. I know there is a difference in case length betwen the .308 and the 30-06.

If I had the desire to start building up the M1 Garand's reciever with parts from the norc, how far would I get with that?
 
I'll let the gurus fill in the exact details, but the answer is "not far". The similarity is because the M-14 is the baby of the Garand (more or less right guys). for starters look how they feed bullets. you can't clip a M-14 mag into a Garand receiver. I won't even get into the Metric/imperial thing between the two(Chinese-USA). Bottom line, enjoy each gun for what it is. we don't need any FrankinNorkGarands floating around the EE.
Hope this helps
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BCtrigger
 
BCtrigger said:
we don't need any FrankinNorkGarands floating around the EE.

BCtrigger
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Thats your own opinion... why contribute an opinion if its gonna be something so "head up your own a@#"

back on topic.. I have no idea how that would work.....
 
I've never sold a gun BCtrigger, and I'll probably live awhile yet. I wouldn't worry about seeing this gun on the EE.

I was just looking at a more affordable rifle. I might just save up for an honest garand, but guns older than my dad don't inspire confidence, and while I'm not rich, I very much enjoy reloading and bullet casting and I've got a heavy trigger finger.

I own only 7 guns, and have had to send 2 to the gunsmith, both older guns with small internal broken parts. I can't afford to buy another dog and be constantly replacing parts and sending them back to the gunsmith.

On the other hand, I imagine myself feeling cheated if I didn't have 8 in my en bloc.
 
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There are M1's that were converted to M14 style rifles in the US. Costs quite a bit to do and the gun is worth less then the M1 you started with.

Involves modification of a few parts, need to machine the M1 receiver to accept the magazines.

Best bet is to get a M1 and install a new chamber to fire 308Win and put in a spacer block in the magazine.

Dimitri
 
I have heard of it being done. To wind up with a functionning rifle would require more than just swapping parts. The M305 barrel assembly will go on the M-1 receiver. You are then left with the challenge of adapting the operating system. The M305 operating rod won't do it, neither will an unaltered M-1's. I suspect cutting and welding are going to be needed. And fitting a stock. The M305 stock isn't going to work with the M-1 receiver, the M-1 stock isn't going to work with the M305 barrel assembly without major alterations.
A M305 can be had for under $500, at present. That isn't going to last once Marstar's current shipment runs out. An Italian M-1 receiver is $95 from them. If you think your gunsmithing skills are up to it, have at it. If you have to pay a smith to do the conversion, it is going to be a very expensive rifle. There was a defective M305 in the EE for $325 (op. rod was jumping out of the track). That rifle would have been a good candidate for such an experiment.
If you can do the conversion successfully, you wind up with an 8 shot .308 semi auto. Is it worth it?
Forget the older guns being a problem concern. I'm likely older than your father, and so are most of my guns. We get along just fine.
 
Save your money and leave the 400 buck M14 Norc alone. Leave the M1 Garand alone, unless you have a few of them to mess around with. All this mucking around was done by Springfield (Mass.) Armory by Jean C Garand. No sense re-inventing the wheel. Just buy some practice ammo and work you your marksmanship skills (money is better spent that way).

Better yet, buy a 2nd Norc M14 to butcher!! While we still can anyways... :rolleyes:

Hope this helps save your money....

Barney
 
Hungry said:
Save your money and leave the 400 buck M14 Norc alone. Leave the M1 Garand alone, unless you have a few of them to mess around with. ....... Just buy some practice ammo and work you your marksmanship skills (money is better spent that way).
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If I have neither an M1, or an M14....what exactly do I put the practice ammo into....pray tell?
 
I completely rebuilt an M1 for use, and I have two M14s.. you cant go wrong either way.

They are both incredibly fun to take out to the service rifle matches and shoot. The M14s work a bit better because you can get an even 10 with 2 mags, but the M1 you have to load 2 in at first, then put the 8 round enbloc in after. It can be a pain....
 
Har,har,har.Garands have been ticking away for nearly 70 yrs now and they are built to last given a modicum of training and diligence by the shooter,especially using proper ammo and keeping them clean and properly lubricated.Be careful to maintain the distinction between hard use and abuse.
 
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Option B is just buying an M1, and hoping hard use doesn't kill it.
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Bobby,

Unless you're using super-overcharged handloads in a Garand, you AREN'T going to hurt it! These are extremely well built, robust battle rifles that were DESIGNED to take all the abuse a raw boot could dish out under COMBAT CONDITIONS, with crappy, ammo and STILL WORK!!!

Firearms, in general, are MULTI-GENERATIONAL and they simply aren't worn out by the time they turn 20. The Garand is manufactured from modern steels and will last for tens of thousands of rounds. Even then, a replacement barrel for a few hundred dollars will get you back shooting again.

That said,you can convert a Garand to fire .308 Win, but it is an expensive project and requires the services of a qualified gunsmith. Every now and then one is listed in the EE and they usually have an asking price starting at $1000 or more. About the only thing you can practically make use of interchangeably between the M-14 and Garand is the rear sights and trigger assemblies. However, even the latter requires some modification in order to work/fit properly.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys, but there is something that confuses the hell out of me.

Everybody keeps talking about .308. I know the Norc is chambered in that, and that's just something I'd have to live with if I decided I didn't want to save up for a genuine Garand.

What I was really interested in was the 8 round en bloc.

Why would I want to go down to .308 when I already had a 30'06?

That seems alot like someone saying, "I believe the corvette is better value and more affordable than other, higher priced sports cars, so when I won a Ferrari in a charity draw, I asked if I could pay a little more and get a Corvette instead, and they said yes.":slap:
 
"...install a new chamber..." That'd be a barrel.
"...how far would I get with that?..." The sights, only. Everything else is different.
 
Bobby Ironsights said:
Thanks for all the replies guys, but there is something that confuses the hell out of me.

Everybody keeps talking about .308. I know the Norc is chambered in that, and that's just something I'd have to live with if I decided I didn't want to save up for a genuine Garand.

What I was really interested in was the 8 round en bloc.

Why would I want to go down to .308 when I already had a 30'06?

That seems alot like someone saying, "I believe the corvette is better value and more affordable than other, higher priced sports cars, so when I won a Ferrari in a charity draw, I asked if I could pay a little more and get a Corvette instead, and they said yes.":slap:
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Shoot both of them back to back and you will realize that you want them both.

As cliche as it is, the M1 is fun to shoot just to hear the enbloc come pinging out of there.....
The M14s are good to own because of all the home gunsmithing you can do. You can take a rifle, work on it yourself and get it to perform. Thats always a great feeling...
 
Bobby Ironsights said:
Thanks for all the replies guys, but there is something that confuses the hell out of me.

Everybody keeps talking about .308. I know the Norc is chambered in that, and that's just something I'd have to live with if I decided I didn't want to save up for a genuine Garand.

What I was really interested in was the 8 round en bloc.

Why would I want to go down to .308 when I already had a 30'06?

That seems alot like someone saying, "I believe the corvette is better value and more affordable than other, higher priced sports cars, so when I won a Ferrari in a charity draw, I asked if I could pay a little more and get a Corvette instead, and they said yes.":slap:
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There aren't that many Garands chambered in .308 so some guys like the idea of being "special." Others are looking at savings in terms of ammo. .30-06 Surplus is a thing of the past in Canada. 7.62mm NATO isn't, although it isn't exactly cheap anymore or as readily available as it once was. There is some cost savings to be had if you reload. You use less powder and brass is cheaper and more readily available in .308 than '06. Finally, since the M1 Garand is specifically exempt from magazine restrictions, it is basically the only non-restricted centerfire rifle in a semi-auto action that you can fire 8 rounds out of. There are some non-restricted .223 rifles that can now use the 10 round LAR-15 mags, but they aren't available in .308.
 
I have built a FrankenGarand. If you want to stay 30-06 then most parts won't work. If you want to go 308 then screw on an m14 barrel and gas system. You will have to cut a Garand oprod down to fit (yes that hurt) Then most people cut a Garand stock and cut an m14 stock and graft them together. I cut a Garand stock and made the front part. Then you buy a oprod spring from Wolff and cut it till it works. There are a couple other things that need "fitting" but I can't remember right now. Btw this will not be cheap. If you want cheap then just buy the nork m14. This build is very time consuming and took a while to find the parts as I just started with a Garand receiver. Just wanted a legal 8 round semiauto 308. Was it worth it? It was to me.
 
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