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“An Antique firearm manufactured pre 1898 chambered in an obsolete centre fire cartridge ( not chambered or adapted to discharge eg 44/40, 32 S&W etc, etc, etc)”

As an Antique these firearms can be possessed without a PAL


Ok…….

My question which I would like clarifying is the following:

If you wish to shoot these firearms they need to be registered accordingly eg non restricted or restricted.

My thoughts are it reverts to a firearm and falls into the relevant class thus needing registering.


What are your thoughts???????

I’m not looking for ways to get round the law just verifying an issue
 
No. Prescribed or deemed antiques retain antique status. They do not become restricted, non-restricted or prohibited.
 
Nope. If they're safe to shoot, you don't need a permit to shoot 'em. However, the ammo usually isn't easy or possible to get and sometimes, depending on the firearm, the value may drop. The really important part is how safe it is to shoot 'em.
 
IIRC antiques are exempt from any form of registration, and also do not require ATT's to be transported .... But should be transported like any other restricted (locked case, trigger lock etc...)
 
The only regulations for antiques are they need to be transported & stored unloaded, and antique handguns need to be in a locked case during transport, but can be displayed without any type of lock. I have my 1884 Colt Thunderer sitting on my shelf on a stand. :) Nothing changes if you shoot them.
 
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Two things.

Forget about the phrase "commonly available cartridge", or "obsolete cartridge" because availability has nothing to do with whether it is a prescribed antique or not.

Second, check out the stickies and read through the posts on the Antiques and Black Powder sub-forum. It's all pretty well covered there.

For pistols, it's based on the date of manufacture (pre-1898), and not being of one of the list of calibers from the firearms act. For rifles, they must be pre-1898, and have a bore size over 8.3mm, and not be repeaters. For shotguns, they must be old enough, and not be any of the listed gauges.

Short and sweet is that you are going to end up in deep "discussions" with any authority type that finds you out in the woods with an antique handgun.
It'd be handy then, to have as much proof of the actual rules and regulations on hand, like, printed out copies of the firearms act, etc.

You can shoot them, and they do NOT become any category other than prescribed antiques = not a firearm until you do something illegal with it (the stupid stuff, like waving it around in downtown TO, for eg.). The CFC is happy enough to register it, and probably wont bother to tell you you don't need to. The next guy to own it will just as happily let you keep the registration certificate as a souvenir, as he can as easily get it un-registered, as transfer it.

So, yer wrong. It does not become a registrable firearm if you want to shoot it.

Cheers
Trev
 
Like the others have said, you can shoot your antiques until the cows come home and they are still antiques under Canadian law.
 
trevj said:
Two things.

Forget about the phrase "commonly available cartridge", or "obsolete cartridge" because availability has nothing to do with whether it is a prescribed antique or not.

Second, check out the stickies and read through the posts on the Antiques and Black Powder sub-forum. It's all pretty well covered there.

For pistols, it's based on the date of manufacture (pre-1898), and not being of one of the list of calibers from the firearms act. For rifles, they must be pre-1898, and have a bore size over 8.3mm, and not be repeaters. For shotguns, they must be old enough, and not be any of the listed gauges.

Short and sweet is that you are going to end up in deep "discussions" with any authority type that finds you out in the woods with an antique handgun.
It'd be handy then, to have as much proof of the actual rules and regulations on hand, like, printed out copies of the firearms act, etc.

You can shoot them, and they do NOT become any category other than prescribed antiques = not a firearm until you do something illegal with it (the stupid stuff, like waving it around in downtown TO, for eg.). The CFC is happy enough to register it, and probably wont bother to tell you you don't need to. The next guy to own it will just as happily let you keep the registration certificate as a souvenir, as he can as easily get it un-registered, as transfer it.

So, yer wrong. It does not become a registrable firearm if you want to shoot it.

Cheers
Trev
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Well said Trev, correct, they are not firearms unless used in the commission of a crime.
 
But if you shoot an antique it will blow into a million pieces maiming you and any bystanders or innocent forest creatures with in a 500 yard radius. These things should'nt be registered they should be classed as WMD.
 
Not exactly, the first 10,000 or so C-96 mausers were manufactured before 1898, they are very rare and very expensive. nofac.ca has a few for sale, very pricy: 7k to 20k.

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8.something mm or larger also must be single shot. any kind of magizine is automatcally a registwer item
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john@ said:
Not exactly, the first 10,000 or so C-96 mausers were manufactured before 1898, they are very rare and very expensive. nofac.ca has a few for sale, very pricy: 7k to 20k.
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John,

The C-96's are pistols. No repeater clause on pistols. Just cannot be of the calibers listed in the act, and must be pre-1898.

The magazine/repeater issue only applies to rifles made before 1898. Like all those nice, big-bore Winchesters, Marlins, Henry's, some Mausers, Veterelli's (spelling is off on that one, I'm sure) and a bunch of others that require that the magazines be welded in order to make them single shot, for them to be considered a prescribed antique.

Cheers
Trev
 
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