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id like to start competing in F"m" class or any competitions really but i have no idea where to start? where do i go to compete and is there competiton leagues ect... iam located in southern ontairo gta area. and would greatly appreachiate any help you could give me.

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Depending on where you are, Listowel puts on its Urban counter sniper match. More of a precision match really. Its a lot of fun with a great bunch of people.

Beachburg offers a factory and custom class 100 yard and 200 yard bug and fly shoot as part of its 3 series benchrest championships.

Twin Cities ( I think) has an anual Egg Shoot 100-300 yards.

Canaught usually has various shoots throughout the year. Keep checking the events and gatherings and this thread periodically.

Just a few I can think of. Just a matter of how far you want to drive. I try to never miss the Listowel shoot. 1400km round strip for me.
 
OK Hane6661 you really do need to get in touch with the ORA. They invented F 'm' class as a cost effective way for the average guy to go shoot long range, and by that they mean 300 through 1,000 yards. The basic rules of FM are any rifle in the state it came off the dealers shelves with no trick (expensive) upgrades. If your rifle has been upgraded there is always F Open or if it is a 308 then F/TR.

Anyhow, the ORA holds shoots on military ranges April to October. To get ready for that they run a progressive training scheme one day a month starting in January. Costs are very reasonable and I mean cheap!

Best thing is to go to their website www.OntarioRifleAssociation.org and enquire from the Events page.

Good luck and good shooting
 
hane6661 said:
id like to start competing in F"m" class or any competitions really but i have no idea where to start? where do i go to compete and is there competiton leagues ect... iam located in southern ontairo gta area. and would greatly appreachiate any help you could give me.

cheers.
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After contacting the ORA, and you want to shoot F(m) class. Buy a Savage Fclass rifle in 6.5/284. Lapua brass, 139gr Scenars and H4831 powder.. 52grs works well . Take the ORA training, and you will be on your way to competing and winning.

NormB
 
Norm,
It was my understanding that "purpose build rifles" such as the TRG and Savage F/TR would not be allowed in the F(M) class. Has something changed or it is up to the match organizer.
 
NormB said:
After contacting the ORA, and you want to shoot F(m) class. Buy a Savage Fclass rifle in 6.5/284. Lapua brass, 139gr Scenars and H4831 powder.. 52grs works well . Take the ORA training, and you will be on your way to competing and winning.

NormB
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Go with this advise, I did. Norm and others from the ORA coached me this year and it was nothing less than stellar.:D
 
maynard said:
Norm,
It was my understanding that "purpose build rifles" such as the TRG and Savage F/TR would not be allowed in the F(M) class. Has something changed or it is up to the match organizer.
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Ric Melling has allowed the Savage F-class and the Savage FTR in the factory class. You are right though, the match organizer has to make decisions as to what rifle qualifies as mass produced, or what rifle is a purpose built target rifle.

NormB
 
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Hey Norm, after shooting with those Savages at the Mons championships, dont you think that they belong in the FO class.
They appear to be several levels above the better varmint rifles.
To me, they will force everyone to shoot the same rifle or stay home.

Cheers, Rick
 
Oh now there's a dilemma. We have one manufacturer building factory rifles that appear to be performing better than their competition in the hands of new competitors in Ontario. In my view that does not stop them being factory rifles. When FM was concieved it was intended to be the place people start...... without having to go spending big bucks. Mr Savage seems to have understood that.

I think the match organisers will look at the experience levels and prevent pot hunting.

I see from another thread that the DCRA is trying to decide what F categories to promote going forward so who knows what the outcome of that will be. Just hope all F shooters have sent them in your opinions. I sure have.

Anyhow, back to the original question that started this thread. Hane, did you get the answer you sought?
 
windborne11 said:
Hey Norm, after shooting with those Savages at the Mons championships, dont you think that they belong in the FO class.
They appear to be several levels above the better varmint rifles.
To me, they will force everyone to shoot the same rifle or stay home.

Cheers, Rick
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Ric Melling... Mr F(M) wants them in F(M) class for now They do have a factory barrel and I've looked down some and they are not custom barrel smooth and uniform. They do have a 30" heavy barrel, 3" flat forend and nice LR stock with a stiff ported action with 3 hold down screws, so it makes them formidable long range rifles. They can't hang with a good F(O) rifle though, so maybe the F(TR/F) class is where they should end up.

NormB
 
I think if Norm, Terry, Kajfes, Gord, Bob and a few others showed up with an off the shelf rifle wanting to shoot F(M) class, the organizer would gladly take their money and put them in F(O) anyway:p I know I would for sure.

Experience has alot to do with the skills needed to shoot long range, you won't learn it from a book. However some rifle/cartridge combination will do better than others. F(M) class was designed so new shooters are on a level playing field with similar rifles. When you start throwing the Savage F/TR into the fray why not the Remington 40X too? How about the Sako TRG or Blazer and we can even argue for the PGW as being a factory rifle if you want to.

So the line has to be drawn somewhere. Purpose built rifles like the ones mentioned above really don't fit the F(M) class. Yet these same rifles may not be up to the stardards of the F(O) either. Maybe we need another class called F(A)nything for those rifles that don't fit the rules.:stirthepot2:

All this kind of makes me glad I shoot TR and not F Class. My barrels last 3-4 seasons and I have a choice between about 5 different bullets that weigh 155 gr. And I shoot against all the other sand baggers in my class.:p
 
I believe the intent for FM class was to get new shooters out, and for them to bring along whatever rifle they had buried in the closet.
The idea was to give them a taste of long range, so they would continue shooting.
For a new shooter to bring out his old varmint rifle, only to have to compete against a 6.5/284, will quickly either send the new shooter home permanently,
or send him to the gunstore to buy another 6.5/284. With HP scope.
Then immediately comes all the reloading equiptment. So all of a sudden, its
no small expense. Or small commitment.
There needs to be some breathing space, before the big expense.
In another post I had commented that I thought there should be an FO class, and an everything else F class.
But after further thought, there has to be a spot for the beginner with his varmint rifle. Shooting against other beginners with other varmint rifles.
 
Absolutely agree with Windborne's comment about a place for beginners and with Maynards comment about it taking experience to shoot Long Range well.
I imagine both those ideas were behind the ORA FM class as a place to get started.

If some people choose an out of the box gun that performs well, be it a Sako, Tikka, Savage or Remington, I don't think the ORA would penalize them by putting them in F Open, unless of course they demonstrate the skills to warrent that accolade. In my view, a guy with an older varmint rifle who knows how to use it is more than competitive with a guy with a wonder gun who does'nt know how, especially when the wind blows!

My advice to any newcomer to long range is to bring what you've got and spend your money practicing and learning before you go spending on any new capital equipment - then choose a class and buy wisely using the wisdom of your new found shooting buddies (who have done the silly things so you might as well learn from them) and make sure you have fun along the way.

Me, I am going to stick to my Tikka 6.5x55 varmint with it's stubby 24" tube. If I play my part right it is awesome at 1,000 yards - and for even less $ than a Savage!

Tikkaman.
 
hane6661 said:
id like to start competing in F"m" class or any competitions really but i have no idea where to start? where do i go to compete and is there competiton leagues ect... iam located in southern ontairo gta area. and would greatly appreachiate any help you could give me.

cheers.
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Do you currently own a rifle, and if so, what?
Do you have any desire to handload your own ammo?
A little info will help.

Cheers, Rick
 
Tikkaman said:
Me, I am going to stick to my Tikka 6.5x55 varmint with it's stubby 24" tube. If I play my part right it is awesome at 1,000 yards - and for even less $ than a Savage!
Tikkaman.
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Yes, I have one too and it won't give anything to the Savage.

As much as I like the Savage, I can also bring out my old 40X in .308 and that would be the same class as the Savage F/TR, n'est-ce pas? Those two guns would be competitive, but my Tikka can still edge it at 1,000yds.

How much do you push the envelope before even F(M) becomes an equipment race?
 
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canuckhunter said:
...How much do you push the envelope before even F(M) becomes an equipment race?
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That's the question, isn't it?
If it becomes an equipment race, that sort of negates the intent of creating the "M" class.
I suppose that if a given model of rifle is routinely available from inventory, and does not require a special order, the rifle being assembled for that order, it should qualify for "M".
Shooter classification does level the playing field somewhat. A greenshot isn't competing directly against a Norm B, no matter what rifles are being used.
 
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