C1 Rifles and SMG's

cote_b said:
Nice. Sounds like you had fun. Did you get to shoot the AK? Those SMG's look like Sterlings.
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License built Sterlings. Called C1 sub-machinegun in Canada, some slight differences.

1. Uses FN C1 bayonet rather than No 5 Jungle carbine bayonet.

2. Uses a 30 round magazine with a conventional stamped follower rather than the 34 round Sterling mag with dual roller follower, but both mags interchange.

I believe also some minor manufacturing differences, simpler profile at the muzzle etc.

India also makes a license built copy of the Sterling, which I believe is still in production.

Nice to see them still being taken out once in a while!
 
The C1a1 rifles were both 5L's from 1959. The SMG's were coth CAL's from 1959, and 1960. External condition was rough but all functioned beautifully. The C2a1 was also 1959. We had a half dozen AK variants, The Zastava M70? AKMS copy from 1994 was like new and functioned as such. we had two, one with the grenade launcher muzzle and the other had the scoop. MP5N SMG as well.
 
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Interesting note. IVI 9mm ball now comes in 50rnd boxes with plastic trays like commercial ammo. All the 7.62x39 was American Eagle, a whole case. IVI 7.62mm ball was from 1979 in bandoliers.
 
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You lucky bugger, I envy you. You should have taken more pictures.

I like the FN C1's but don't like the Canadian SMG's.
The Sterlings are much better as far as functioning on semi or FA. It has more to do with the bolt, and the roller mag is much better than the C1's. The short 10 shot Canadian mags are great if you only want to shoot a few rounds. I have a 5/10 rounder and a few of them in parts not sure if I have any more complete ones.
The C1 SMG has a solid bolt like the Sten and when it goes forward the weight shift throws the SMG off target. I have shot both and I didn't realize the difference until I fired the Canadain model. I fired the first round into the ground because my Sterling didn't act the same. The Canadain Sgt that handed it to me, told me I had to learn to compensate with this gun.

Did you shoot the C2? I haven't shot mine in a while. The first time I shot one in FA it was all over the targets, nothing like the Bren.

There is one gun I noticed in your picture, is it one of the Chinese SKS D's or a Chinese Type 68?

Do you ever think we mere mortals will ever be able to take them to the range again? Because of the dam letter sent out by the CFC, we can't take them to the range. What a Crock Of S**t that turned out to be.
 
The muzzle drop from wieght transfer was noted early in the day. When I was cleaning them later I noticed that both SMG bolts were like new. The Gunplumber MCpl there is an old friend and genuine gunlover, keeping them running is a labour of love as parts get harder to find. He was lucky to source the unused bolts. The frontsight on one came from a dewat rifle on the wall a week earlier. The C2 held a 30 rnd mag in 3 rnd bursts on a cinder block at 100m (just chunks after a couple rnds. hehe). The Sks in the pic is a beat up commecial sks d. there were several of those as well as a Siminov. There was a couple russian AKM's, a russian RPK and chinese copies of each as well as the really nice Yugos. I only had my phone to take pics but you are right I should have taken more.
 
It was nice to put a few mags full auto through the yugo variants. They were in beautiful shape. The russians were pretty rough having been used at the school for decades. In edmonton most of our foreign wpns classes are taught using semi auto commercial norincos we got after an amnesty. Some are even in 5.56 nato which makes geting ammo easier at the unit but they are getting beat up pretty bad.
 
Looking at the SMG made my fingers hurt, they remembered all of the times they had been pinched by those stocks. I recently fired the UZI on FA and found it much nicer than the SMG.
 
Colin said:
Looking at the SMG made my fingers hurt, they remembered all of the times they had been pinched by those stocks. I recently fired the UZI on FA and found it much nicer than the SMG.
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welcome to the club- as i got older and changed navies, i found although heavy, the venerable uzi ( full size) was possibly the best smg ever made- this was contrary to what i had learned in the cf, be it called the pachett, sterling, or smgc1- and in the dark, i still think i'd be more comfortable with it than the mp-5 or whatever - that's why it sits in my safe- and most of our ops were in the dark
 
albayo said:
The C1 SMG has a solid bolt like the Sten and when it goes forward the weight shift throws the SMG off target. I have shot both and I didn't realize the difference until I fired the Canadain model. I fired the first round into the ground because my Sterling didn't act the same. The Canadain Sgt that handed it to me, told me I had to learn to compensate with this gun.
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I've never handled a C1 SMG, but the Sterling was my issue weapon for several years in the Brit army.
The Sterling also has a solid, heavy bolt that slams forward when firing the first (and subsequent, of course) round, so I'm a little confused....what is the actual difference between the C1 and the original Sterling bolt? :confused:
 
I remember the old smg would sometimes inadvertently fire an auto burst with the selector set to semi. I got in trouble on the range for that happening once. Got a dirty look from the RO but he saw it was set on semi. Did not really get into trouble or extra duties but I never got an explanation for why that happened either?
 
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