20-60X80 Spotting scope opinions

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tigrr

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I would like to see the 308 holes in a paper target at 1000 yards. Yes I can shoot that far. I can see the shot marks on white painted steel, but I can't see them on paper. Here are the marks I can see through my NF scope at 1000 yards.
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The scope is a NightForce 5.5-22X56.
My concern is will I be able to see if I have hit the 1000 yard paper targets with a 20-60X80 spotting scope.
Have you used one to look that far?
What brand was it?
I'm looking at a Leupold Sequoia spotting scope kit with an angled eyepiece.
Opinions greatly appreciated
 
I use the Zeiss 20-60x85mmTFL . While its nice and bright, I think you're going to struggle to see them small holes. I can see them at 200m no problem tho. But i am old!
 
First off don't waste your time on a Leupold Sequoia. The rifle scope you have already has twice the glass quality and clarity of the Sequoia. The Zeiss is king, but a Kowa is very good for the price. If on the off chance you get an optic that has the clarity and the magnification that you can distinguish holes in paper at a km it will only be working like that in -5 or colder temps. In the summer months the mirage the magnification brings will kill you.
 
tigrr said:
What are the spotters using at those long range shoots?
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Spotting scopes used for long range shooting don't have to be that great. For most long range matches there are target markers/target puller in the butts. These people pull the target after each shot and a shot indicator is placed in the shot hole and a value indicator is placed somewhere on the target frame. The shot indicators are usually orange however some people may ask for a white (on a black target).
I use a Kowa TSN-1 with a 22X wide angle eye piece. On a heavy mirage day you can't even see the scoring rings at long range and a 6 inch orange indicator is just an orange blob. Higher magnification will result in less field of view and a better view of mirage with less definition of the target.
On heavy mirage days less magnification is better.
 
tigrr said:
I would like to see the 308 holes in a paper target at 1000 yards. Yes I can shoot that far. I can see the shot marks on white painted steel, but I can't see them on paper.


The scope is a NightForce 5.5-22X56.
My concern is will I be able to see if I have hit the 1000 yard paper targets with a 20-60X80 spotting scope.
Have you used one to look that far?
What brand was it?
I'm looking at a Leupold Sequoia spotting scope kit with an angled eyepiece.
Opinions greatly appreciated
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I have a Kowa TSN 821 82 mm objective yes they are great scopes with optical Clarity is very close to the Top End scopes .I am sorry but what you are asking is impossible using 60x because bullet holes in paper are only about 6 mm and to see that a 1000 yards you will need considerably more magnifaction.The reason behind this is that shooting out doors the environmental conditions change all the time. Mirage will be a factor in exactly how much magnification you can actually use .How ever I would be looking at either a wireless video camera or Doppler radar system ,I have heard that there is a company in BC that makes a Radar unit for about $1,000.00 .These systems will deliver what you are asking for all the time
 
Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'll just buy the leupold 20-60X80 for the better half for christmas, Hehe, hope I still get to use it. I now realize my expectations were a bit high, in trying to see hits at 1000, I just was getting tired of driving out to the target all the time. I need a new spotting scope anyway. Pick it up tuesday.
 
tigrr said:
What are the spotters using at those long range shoots?
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Spotters are watching the mirage an optical illusion that deceives what you are really seeing it can occur in all weather conditions .For more info check the link out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage
A good spotter will be able to judge or read the mirage and give the shooter the necessary corrections to hit the target .

The Spotter is also watching for Vortex or Disturbance in the air this occurs as the bullets moves thru the air downrange to the target a good spotter will be able by watching the Vortex will be able to see where the bullet strikes on the target
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex

In the cases of Long Range shooting using an improvised/open range using a 2 man team the abilty to have good spotting skills is paramount to getting good results. I hope I have explained this clearly to you
 
That Leupold 20-60X80 is still at the store, not good enough. I don't think it has anything over the NightForce scope on my gun..
I guess I'll just have to wait for the target markers to let me know where I hit!
Oh by the way, the guys at ED wholesale optics counter were really helpful. I'll bet you never heard that before.
 
you will never see bullet holes at 1000 yds!!!!
doubtfull you will see them past 350-375yds maybe under ideal conditions
I use a B&L 20-60 x 80mm and it works well to 300 unless the mirage is running hard
 
How about a cheap telescope

tigrr said:
Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'll just buy the leupold 20-60X80 for the better half for christmas, Hehe, hope I still get to use it. I now realize my expectations were a bit high, in trying to see hits at 1000, I just was getting tired of driving out to the target all the time. I need a new spotting scope anyway. Pick it up tuesday.
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I would think with a $300.00 telescope you would see the holes, be quite a pain to set up the first time, have to under ideal conditions. FS
 
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