Rockin sled and quad shots

Grtwhthntr said:
I have to admit I am on both sides of the fence. Yes, there are definite retards in the vid as well as on the trail everyday, I don't like them anymore than the next guy. That being said I very much enjoy quadding responsibly with my family and friends, go to many derbies in our area, always take out with me whatever I take in, and respect the land that is not open to ATV use. The total anti-ATV attitude I find totally appalling and is paralled by the anti-gun attitude as well. How can people sit there and be totally anti against a sport that many people enjoy responsibly(marred by some idiots), when here everyday we battle the anti's against our sport that people don't understand or respect, and trust me there are as many retards with guns as there is with quads. I don't condone riding helmetless, drinking while on an ATV, or any other of the disrespectful behaviour that some ATV'ers think is cool but love my other sport just the same. How did this thread wind up in a hunting forum anyways?
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well said. I love trail riding and would hate to see it banned just because a few idiots are irresponsible/dangerous (seem familiar???!)
 
Idiots may possibly get quads banned, but this will only keep the honest people from enjoying the sport.
In the end , the idiots will still be out tearing up land and driving through fish streams etc.There will always be the element out there that thinks the world is their personal garbage dump where no rules or common sense or courtesy apply.
 
Amphibious said:
you live in ontario. It doesn't suprise me you're unconcerned about these kinds of activities, as you've already destroyed half your provinces wild lands. I don't think you can find a place south of temagami where you can stand for 10mins and not hear a vehicle or machinery of some kind.

out west, we enjoy out nature, and try to keep it that way.

and you bring up logging? how ignorant are you?
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Above is something I would expect from you :(
Why you insist on turning everything into an East-West thing?
See other thread about people that insist in doing that :rolleyes:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299552

Now let me get this straight again, it's OK to drive your truck 50 miles in an abandoned logging road to enjoy nature, but it's not OK to drive a 4whr 5 miles in a trail to do the same?
 
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Grtwhthntr said:
and trust me there are as many retards with guns as there is with quads.
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could you explaine how a gun can destroy acres of sensative mountain side in a meer 10 minutes?


Senior, you are compairing industry Vs destructive activity, logging is always regenerated anphibs point here is some places were people chose to set up hill climbs etc with atvs is not replenishable as the moss and other plants will not grow back, common sence riding will save the sport, keep ripping the heck out of nature and it will get banned. And yes it is a east/west thing you folks have rules and regs in place back east for snowmobiles and atvs, the west does not have the same as well as alot more sensative areas to any type of destruction
 
bone-collector said:
could you explaine how a gun can destroy acres of sensative mountain side in a meer 10 minutes?
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Thats a bit of twist of what I was actually saying in the post. The point was that there are as many drunken and or wreckless fools with guns, which in the end could take a life not wreck land, to you which is more valuable? The post was about the anti attitude being no different than what us gun owners face everyday. Agreed there needs to be areas preserved and exempt from ATV use but also needs to be areas open to the responsible use of them as well. I love the beauty of nature as much as the next guy, but keep in mind you don't have a right to say they should be kept off all of it. That is the same as saying guns shouldn't be allowed anywhere. There has to be compromise from all parties, nobody has a right to prevent us from enjoying the activities we enjoy, only ensure the responsible undertaking of those activities. Maybe all the logging roads, atv trails/snowmobile trails or any other kind of trail should be allowed to grow over so that the back country is totally inaccessible to everyone and nature can be returned to is full beauty and enjoyed by nobody. Like I said compromise.
 
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This thread has reached the stage where good people are ripping up other good people, because of not getting the point in the message of each other. Most of the writers on here are agreed, the idiots tearing up the irreplacable top soil on the hills and forever ruining the bogs and ruining fish habitat, are the scum bags of this world.
Most of us are also agreed that we would like to continue to have the freedom to take our quads in the bush.
Please carefully read a thread before finding fault with it.
 
senior said:
Above is something I would expect from you :(
Why you insist on turning everything into an East-West thing?
See other thread about people that insist in doing that :rolleyes:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299552

Now let me get this straight again, it's OK to drive your truck 50 miles in an abandoned logging road to enjoy nature, but it's not OK to drive a 4whr 5 miles in a trail to do the same?
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It's very much an east/west thing when (as bonecollector brought up) you look at land use and legislation around ATV use. Using logging as an example is comparing apples and oranges Industrial activity vs. Private use. Ontario lacks the sensitive alpine enviroments that a quad can irreversibly destroy in one pass, and west coast inland fisheries are far more delicate then yours. Trout are delicate fragile fish. (girrly sissy fish compared to a walleye, but far less boring then a bass ;) Mmmmm walleye... ah but I digress) Private ATV us is a hot and growing topic out west, and when you begin to dive deeper into it, a lot of the support for the ATV's comes from clubs and action groups from out east.

trying to leave my great distaste for ontario out of it, it still remains, very much a east/west thing.
 
Nice to see you put forward a POV with-out the extras!
I can deff see your point of view, all will agree there are areas maybe ATVs should be not allowed. I'm not sure the video is clear how fragile that particular terrain is. & Yes those guys are unneccessarily tearing it up. On the other hand, I have worked in the logging industry running one of the most destructive pieces of machine in the bush (a skidder), the ruts in the vid are piddly compared to the ruts a skidder will leave of a side hill when the ground is soft. Also quite a difference between a single trail thru miles of bush compared to the effects left from a logging operation in a huge tract of land. Yes logging industry is important to our economy but recreation is huge too.
As pointed out above, you just can't throw a blanket statement over it.
 
if your going to bring logging into it at least tell the whole story, and no a skidder is not the most destructive peice of equiptment, regardless, forest industry also hoes up the block, re plants the trees and regenerates the land, and again you dont see the point, its NOT atvs are bad on trails or hunting/fishing etc its the mudbogging in swamps/hill climbing in alpine medows thats destructive to a fragile eco system.

The point was that there are as many drunken and or wreckless fools with guns, which in the end could take a life not wreck land, to you which is more valuable?
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I cant seem to find any videos or footage of drunken gunslinging rednecks shooting each other? but I did find 1000s of vids on idiots ripping up swamps and alpine on atvs, maybe you could link us to were you get this info on firearms owners?
 
bone-collector said:
if your going to bring logging into it at least tell the whole story, and no a skidder is not the most destructive peice of equiptment, regardless, forest industry also hoes up the block, re plants the trees and regenerates the land, and again you dont see the point, its NOT atvs are bad on trails or hunting/fishing etc its the mudbogging in swamps/hill climbing in alpine medows thats destructive to a fragile eco system.



I cant seem to find any videos or footage of drunken gunslinging rednecks shooting each other? but I did find 1000s of vids on idiots ripping up swamps and alpine on atvs, maybe you could link us to were you get this info on firearms owners?
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That is pretty naive to think there aren't as many fools that have guns, just 'cause they aren't on video means nothing. Are you a hunter? I know it only takes one trip into the bush to see stupid and irresponsible behaviour when it comes to guns in some parts around here. Not trying to personally attack you but to think that every gun owner is a pristine example is foolhardy. I don't care what sport there is always going to be fools out there.
 
bone-collector said:
if your going to bring logging into it at least tell the whole story, and no a skidder is not the most destructive peice of equiptment, regardless, forest industry also hoes up the block, re plants the trees and regenerates the land, and again you dont see the point, its NOT atvs are bad on trails or hunting/fishing etc its the mudbogging in swamps/hill climbing in alpine medows thats destructive to a fragile eco system.
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How do you know WHERE those vids were taken :cool:
Can you just tell by a quick glance there in an Alpine Meadow??
You don't even know which province do you?
Could be private property for all you know, assumptions are great aren't they!

Not all the forest industry re-plants, it's NEVER done in selective cut lots or in hardwood bush & yes a Hoe can be used for regen purposes but again never in hardwood cuts.
 
Grtwhthntr said:
That is pretty naive to think there aren't as many fools that have guns, just 'cause they aren't on video means nothing. Are you a hunter? I know it only takes one trip into the bush to see stupid and irresponsible behaviour when it comes to guns in some parts around here. Not trying to personally attack you but to think that every gun owner is a pristine example is foolhardy. I don't care what sport there is always going to be fools out there.
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You have bush around Brandon? ;)

Seriously, you guys sound like a bunch of nattering old hen's. The side of every hill in Ontario is not the same as the side of every hill in BC. Some are more fragile than others. Some will regrow quickly and you won't even see any sign at all after a couple years.

But in the true spirit of christmas, let's all don our "holier-than-thou" hats and start a mud fest with our friends. Over what really amounts to nothing.:rolleyes:
 
Joe xmas is a day off work I didnt ask for! :)

Grt, I know what your saying but your using bad comparisons, there is no were near the injury rate with firearms as there is atvs/snowmobiles each year, and of course there is always a few tards to ruin it for everyone in all sports

Senior, (shakes head emoticon here)
 
bone-collector said:
Senior, (shakes head emoticon here)
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Back at ya :cheers:

Maybe GRT's comparison with guns is not a good one but you could easily substitute automobiles in there! There's sure a lot of retards on the highways in cars but would you suggest banning cars? Surely you understand blanket statements are no more appropiate than blanket laws :runaway:
 
i wouldn't suggest banning ATVs, but the controling of use locations I agree with. "anything above the treeline" seems to be a good place to start.

Joe, there is no alpine in ontario.
 
as long as people have a f*** you attitude, our sensitive areas will continue to be trashed. Ban quads. okay, now they have side by sides to go out there.
10 more years go by. ban these things as well cause they are just as bad as the quads were. 10 more years go by. lets bann the trucks these guys go out there with. They are worse than the quads and side by sides. obviously its not the machine to ban.

Educate these knuckle heads. and when I mean educate, i mean tickets, vehicle seizures, and rights revoked for bad behaviour. education should be expensive!
 
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