Rockin sled and quad shots

not really, you should see what a twostroke machine leaves behind. maybe if you spent a little more time reading about the plant life that grows at those altitudes, and how delicate it is, you'd have a better grasp on the topic.


as for being a liberal? well, yes I am. very very liberal. socially anyways. fiscally very conservative. now you're automatically going to assume that aligns me with the Canadian political party with the same name, and you'd be in error. protection of the enviroment is in every hunter's best interest. where do you think the critters we like to hunt live?

Hunters want everything easy these days. far shooting magnums, timed feeders, quads,..... whatever happened to walking, and not scaring the landscape. peace and quite, being able to hear your quarry before you see it. I grew up with hikers and campers, not hunters. but these people did everything in their power to leave as little trace as possible that they were ever there when in the bush. it's really not that hard...

the last time I left the bush from a hike, my backpack weighed twice what it did when i went in. filled it with shotgun shell hulls, beer cans, granola bar wrappers. funny, I was walking down some ATV trails made on crownland....



I pack a plastic bag with me when I go for my hikes,I often come back with it full of other peoples junk. I'm getting so tired of being a babysitter for these slobs who consider the backwoods a good place to leave their common sense and their junk. I have a few spotting areas where it's possible to view miles of trails. Most of the beer cans and junk have been discarded from careless quad riders. It's unfortunate that one careless person can cause so much environmental damage and in the meantime their actions will change the rules for those who tread lightly.
 
1st off no one said BAN anything other than stupid people(they should be banned) the caribou omments come directly from the telkwa pass area were snowmobiles and atvs did play a part in the demise of a transplanted heard and have been shut down in those areas(note this is in BC NOT ontario).

the caribou/chilcotin ranges have also had atv bans set on them for wreckless destructive behaviour to there mashlands and enviromentaly sensative areas.
back to the beggining of this thread, the comments started as who wants to see a chewed up hillside when they porposly head out to enjoy there day in the wilderness, its not a crime to atv and enjoy it but it dosnt have to leave a path of torn up ground 30 yards wide and 300 yards long because some guy wanted to prove his 700 could climb better than my 650, you want to hillclimb do it on private land (and we do with writen permission)

Senior, lets try and be a LITTLE sensable here and or make sence

which is it?

I have worked in the logging industry running one of the most destructive pieces of machine in the bush (a skidder), the ruts in the vid are piddly compared to the ruts a skidder will leave of a side hill when the ground is soft..

Yes in a lot of cases that skidder damage looks worse than it is, much like ATV tracks!

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I know that Kenny but apparently some others on this site think every logging operation follows along behind grooming the land & planting trees which is just not the case.

hence there being forest practice codes and regulation along with strict fines for violations, again IN BC (were we do have mountains to log and off highway logging is a major practice along with high-lead logging and helicopter logging, 24 years 5th generation logger with a company that has a perfect safety record and enviro record I think I can comment on logging practices in BC


and again there is no difference in some idiot drinking and driving down a backroad shooting up the country as a idiot on a atv tearing up a hillside to prove his atv is better than yours, both are idiots and should be penalized to the fullest IMHO, but lets get back on track here,

1 this video dosnt even belong in a hunting section other than to tick off hunters, anymore so than a hunting video belongs on a mud bogging forum to get a rise out of the atv community as to being scared to ride atvs as they could get shot at!

You guys are liberals I think. My feelings are attached to that tree, if we can save one blade of grass, ban atv's. Wtf?

liberal? BAN? how many kinds of stupid do you have to be to not read the whole thread?

and before you spout off again.... like I said earlier theres a place to play were it dosnt hurt anyone else

my truck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3i_nihhR8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QZiGQdpK_8

ALL ON PRIVATE PROPERTY with written permission in a old grazing field!
 
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I've got nothing against ATVS that are used responsibly on roads or skidder tracks or even some trails. Don't have a problem with people using truks, choppers or planes or horses responsibly.

I've got a big problem with idiots ripping up riparian, alpine or any other sensitive area with them.
 
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So tell me is it OK to fly yer helly over them meadows?? I'm sure one of them flyin machines leak as much or more oil & grease than a snowmachine:D

again, there you go comparing industry and recreation. Helicopters are strictly regulated. where we can fly, where we can land. like staying 2000' above the ground over provincial parks (most) unless we have permission in writing. like having to stay 1000' over heards of caribou. distubing wildlife of anykind intentionally is likely to have TC knocking at your door.

Helicopters are pretty clean machines. yes some of the older ones leaked, but as a leak is a sign of a failure of a part, they're not taken lightly, and fixed quickly. you wouldn't belive how many enviromental assessments we have to go through on a project. as for reportable spills and leaks, every company I've worked for takes the provincial minums and halves them.

recreationaly usesing helicopters? the one I fly costs $85 a MINUTE to run. they are thus used very efficently. no one has the money to tear around the neighborhood.

helicopters = totally irrelevant to this thread.

Amphibious Canada's 2009 PETA Poster Child

wow, you are a complete idiot arn't you? do you even know what PETA is? I'm a licenced hunting guide, omnivore, and wear lots of fur and leather. how does PETA have anything to do with ATV usage?

wow, you need to think before you post.
 
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knew that would get your goat.

Your going on and on and on and sound like a whiny lil $%(* why dont you get out and do something?

Everyone has their hobbies and yes, I dont agree on people ripping up the forest either but damn dude... you talk like your #### dont stink, and I am sure there are things in which you do that people "where the peta joke came in" would find wrong ;)

My version of PETA "people.eating.tasty.animals" ;)
 
again, there you go comparing industry and recreation. Helicopters are strictly regulated. where we can fly, where we can land. like staying 2000' above the ground over provincial parks (most) unless we have permission in writing. like having to stay 1000' over heards of caribou. distubing wildlife of anykind intentionally is likely to have TC knocking at your door.

Helicopters are pretty clean machines. yes some of the older ones leaked, but as a leak is a sign of a failure of a part, they're not taken lightly, and fixed quickly. you wouldn't belive how many enviromental assessments we have to go through on a project. as for reportable spills and leaks, every company I've worked for takes the provincial minums and halves them.

recreationaly usesing helicopters? the one I fly costs $85 a MINUTE to run. they are thus used very efficently. no one has the money to tear around the neighborhood.

helicopters = totally irrelevant to this thread.



wow, you are a complete idiot arn't you? do you even know what PETA is? I'm a licenced hunting guide, omnivore, and wear lots of fur and leather. how does PETA have anything to do with ATV usage?

wow, you need to think before you post.

Well said. Helicopter's have FA to do with recreational vehicles, and we spend much of the time doing things for the environment; Duck's Unlimited, Fisheries, West Nile Virus counter operations, forest fire fighting, herd counting and transplanting, etc.
 
And I, with out a doubt LOVE ATVing. I have an 08 Grizzly and an 04 Kodiak. BUT I do my hobby with respect to nature and the forests!

I am totally with you amp, I dont go for people ruining our forests either. :)

PS It is kinda hard getting a moose out of the bush with out one :D
PPS: Sorry if I sounded a lil harsh
 
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Protecting woodland caribou is a big item in the central-southerly, somewhat eastern areas of BC. The Revelstoke area is one of the districts with snowmobile restrictions, to keep from disturbing the caribou. A winter food item of caribou is the bulky, black lichen that hangs from old growth, often overmature, evergreen trees. Thus, the battle rages on, with the granola eating, tree hugging hikers on one side, attempting to stop all logging and developement of every type. This side is backed by many younger, newly trained biologists.
On the other side are people who have to eat, need a place to live, and this can only come about if there are paying jobs in the area. The forest industry has traditionally been the lifeline of support for the areas in question. Ironically, the environmental side is supported by vast sums of money from donations, often from such sources as Holywood.
The biologists know that wolves are a problem. However, in todays world no solution can take place that will harm the wolves, so some really idiotic proposals has come forth. One idea was to incrase the moose population, so the wolves would eat moose, then leave the caribou alone! Another idea was the opposite; cut down the moose population, so the wolves wouldn't have as much food, then they would leave the area. They are actually live trapping wolves, then either neutering the males, or tying the tubes so they can't reproduce!! (I am not making this up)
However, I think the proof is very plain that none of the ideas the environmentalists have for preserving the areas in question, will increase, or even preserve, the caribou. And that proof is the parks in the area. Some sixty miles east of Quesnel is Bowron Lakes Park. This is joined on the south east by the Cariboo Mountain Park, which is joined on its south by the Wells Gray Park. In all, a stretch of solid park, proclaimed about sixty years ago, running north to south, southeast, for about 240 kilometres (150 miles). In width it varies from about 30 to 60 kilometres. In this entire area there are but maybe 25 miles of tourist oriented road, in the very southerly part. The entire area is virgin bush and mountains, closed (for the most part) to hunting and absolutely no travel by snowmobile, ATVs, or any othe means of motorized travel. Of course, there is no logging, or tree cutting of any sort.
This huge area was once well populated with caribou. So, if what the environmentalists are saying, that preserving old growth timber and leaving the caribou undisturbed, is what they need for recovery, why isn't this entire park area overflowing with caribou? From what I can gather there are no more caribou in the parks than there are in the areas where they are trying to protect them. Wolves, of course, no nothing about park boundrys.
In my opinion, caribou are the least understood animals of any of the large species, in BC, at least. They appear to be very cyclic in nature, with highs and lows in their population densities just like rabbits, only in much longer cycles.
Here is an example. In the 1930s caribou were very numerous near Summit Lake, just thirty miles north of Prince George. By the way, I didn't just read this in a book, but rather I received that information directly from people who had lived in the area in the 1930s. In the late 1940s I walked through the pine ridges about six miles north, and a bit east, of Summit Lake and discovered it had fairly recently been a good wintering ground for caribou. The remains of shed antlers were everywhere. To you people living in the area, how many caribou have you seen near Summit Lake?
There was virtually no logging in the entire country at that time, no snowmobiles, no ATVs, so what happened to the caribou? There was a very large population of wolves in the country, until the mid 1950s. Was it just wolves, or were the caribou on a die off in their population cycle?
 
here is some of me enjoying nature

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and up higher in the mt washington area....

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and where we stopped

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And I, with out a doubt LOVE ATVing. I have an 08 Grizzly and an 04 Kodiak. BUT I do my hobby with respect to nature and the forests!

I am totally with you amp, I dont go for people ruining our forests either. :)

PS It is kinda hard getting a moose out of the bush with out one :D
PPS: Sorry if I sounded a lil harsh

After 35 years of hunting,I have never used and quad to take out game, so there goes that argument. Getting a moose out of the bush is tough work, but not impossible. Some of the quad riders around here are the laziest fat ass bunch of drunk garbage slobs that ever cranked over an engine. These are the ones who throw garbage and beer cans out for everyone else to pick up and ruining a good walk in the woods.Hopefully very soon their slob like lifestyle will catch up to them.
 
Ya well guess what. I have more respect for the outdoors then you might think. Secondly. I have Fibromyalgia and I can't hull a moose out of the bush by myself, plus it is a HECK of alot easier to use an ATV.

I am the kind of guy that actually picks up other peoples garbage in the woods and on the sides of highways. So just because you have fat bastard beer drinkin slobs for atv riders there doesnt make everyone out to be of such.
 
After 35 years of hunting,I have never used and quad to take out game, so there goes that argument. Getting a moose out of the bush is tough work, but not impossible. Some of the quad riders around here are the laziest fat ass bunch of drunk garbage slobs that ever cranked over an engine. These are the ones who throw garbage and beer cans out for everyone else to pick up and ruining a good walk in the woods.Hopefully very soon their slob like lifestyle will catch up to them.

I hate to say it, but I agree. I'm an entirely open to quaders and quad borne hunters being good folk. I give them the benefit of the doubt, but overwhelmingly that hope's been proven false for me here in BC. Sadly, almost all of my experience with quaders has proven to be in line with what you've mentioned here. I'm not in favour of "bans", I'd rather see proper education.

I fly planes and helicopters into the backcountry, ride motorcycles, I sail and shoot around in a zodiac rigid hull... I like my mechanical devices. I'm pretty damn open to toys and machines of this nature, I've just found two groups to be the most disrespectful unfortunately, and those are quaders and jet-skiers. I hope it changes!
 
I hate to say it, but I agree. I'm an entirely open to quaders and quad borne hunters being good folk. I give them the benefit of the doubt, but overwhelmingly that hope's been proven false for me here in BC. Sadly, almost all of my experience with quaders has proven to be in line with what you've mentioned here. I'm not in favour of "bans", I'd rather see proper education.

I fly planes and helicopters into the backcountry, ride motorcycles, I sail and shoot around in a zodiac rigid hull... I like my mechanical devices. I'm pretty damn open to toys and machines of this nature, I've just found two groups to be the most disrespectful unfortunately, and those are quaders and jet-skiers. I hope it changes!


that pretty much sums us my point of view, although put far more diplomatically then I'm capable of. :cheers:
 
Well. I dont know about out west, but here where I live any person hunting bringing an ATV with them has the respect to shut off their machine and start their hunt in the bush, using it to get into thick bush, or helping to haul a large game animal.

As you can see, my bikes are utility atv's, not freakin race quads "which are ment for closed tracks IMO"
 
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