SKS-40 or M14?

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I am considering one of the two: but which one?:confused:

I do not envisage a lot of use for whichever I pick.

As I see it, the SKS is a very reasonable serviceable weapon with ample (what price) ammo available, but not reloadable. But what happens to them if the ammo is no longer available?

As for the M-14, should I not be able to relaod .308 brass with small base dies as long as I have components, which I do?

Your advice is solicited.

Thanks in advance,

SOF
 
"SKS-40 or M14?"

there is no SKS40 , i assume you meant the russian SKS45 and not the SVT40 bcos you mention the ammo is ample .
 
if you are looking for a SHTF rifle or just a fun plinker....... the SKS wins by a land slide. Ammo is cheaper, is availlable in surplus and in commercial hunting loads. Contrary to some folks perceptions..... sks ammo is reloadable if you first buy some commercial rounds and save the brass. I also notice that MSG DREW here on CGN sells 30 cal bullets in the .310 diameter..... good for the SKS ;) .

Now if you want a longer range rifle, something you might even hunt with or get into service rifle type shooting matches, and is not just a plinkin gun..... the m14s is a sweet rifle. Some minor skills may be required to maintain the m14, but generally they are a reliable semi auto. Ammo is getting harder to source at decent prices, but if you reload already, you can expand your kit to encorporate loading .308. . There is lots of commercial hunting loads availlable in the desired weight of bullet ...... by this I mean 150 gr to 168 gr SP. 168gr is the recommended ceiling at which the m14s likes to operate, it is recommended not to go over this weight.
 
I am considering one of the two: but which one?:confused:

I do not envisage a lot of use for whichever I pick.

As I see it, the SKS is a very reasonable serviceable weapon with ample (what price) ammo available, but not reloadable. But what happens to them if the ammo is no longer available?

As for the M-14, should I not be able to relaod .308 brass with small base dies as long as I have components, which I do?

Your advice is solicited.

Thanks in advance,

SOF

Depends on "why" you want these rifles.

If you're looking just to have one and to shoot it at the range and for plinking/accuracy improvement, the SKS is the best choice. You can get them extremely cheap (just got a fixer upper for $155.00) and they are abundant. You can have a few of them for spare parts and to dress up for different uses. (hunting, stock, tactical, etc.) Surplus ammo is 17.8 cents a round approximately. Ammo being used in 2008 was stamped between 1968 and 1973, so there is almost a 40 year backlog of surplus ammo in circulation. Hunting ammo in 7.62X39mm is approximately $1.00 per round, and 7.62X39mm is JUST BARELY the right size of bullet and powder charge to take down a deer within 100 yards. A lot of people would say it's not adequate. Others will say they have gotten a deer. That's always open to debate.

For the M14S, again this is a semi-abundant rifle here in Canada, however most of the dealers have indicated that the last batch of Chinese made ones has come and gone, so if you want to guarantee you have at least one working one for a long time, it's best to have 2 or 3 for backup and parts. Same as the SKS; having more than one guarantees different rig setups. (hunting, plinking, tactical) There are some amazing rigs out there for the M14S, and there are tonnes of photos and rigs for sale on CGN for the M14S. One always seems to go up for sale around the retail price once a week here on CGN, almost as many times as the SKS's do, however they are almost triple the price. The good news is almost none of them are abused. The 7.62X51mm round is more powerful than the 7.62X39mm, and it's totally feasible to hit a deer well over 200m with one. Lots of CGN'ers here have done it, and there is a whole photo thread of hunters with their rigs and take downs. Ammo though is much more expensive and very hard to come by at times in surplus quantities. Right now almost all the dealers are out. You're looking around 51.2 cents per surplus round, and almost all surplus ammo is non-re loadable. Hunting ammo in .308 is about 75 cents a round during hunting season, and that brass is re-loadable.

If you're looking for a TSHTF scenario where you think you'll need to fight off the Zombie Hordes and protect the Doomstead, both rifles have their purpose and place. Some CGN'ers here will tell you "no amount of ammo is enough" and some have stockpiled their favorite caliber to the legal carrying limit for where they live because they are concerned like you "it will run out." In the case of .308 surplus, for right now that has already happened. I go by the adage "one bullet to shoot, one bullet to keep, one bullet to barter," so I buy accordingly. Since I love shooting my SKS's, I buy surplus ammo whenever I can when I can afford it. When I am broke, I go back to 2 cent .22 ammo. For my M14S, I buy it when I can and when I can afford it but not as often; I simply cannot afford $700.00 cases of .308 surplus ammo all the time. Some CGN'ers here will hold onto surplus ammo and not shoot it until they can get another case to back it up for later on. Seems like a good opinion to me.

The SKS in a TSHTF scenario will be good for personal protection, and for hunting small game. Ammo seems extremely abundant, and if things unwind, hopefully you'll be setup for ammo before that happens. The M14S will reach out and touch someone from 2+ football fields away, is much more accurate. and will bring home the big game for supper. However ammo is not so abundant, and it's expensive. Both have their pros and cons. In my opinion, you should have one/some of each.

Hope this helps.
 
Sorry for the little high jacking but I have a question:

I am interested in getting a Norinco M14 too and I read from this forum knowing that although the Nork M14 stamped .308 but its actually a 7.62 x 51 my question is if I use off the shelf .308 ammo (150 gr) will I damage the rifle or the gas system?

I don't think I am going into reloading in the near future and since surplus ammo is not easy to come by so I will be primary using factory .308 hunting load.

Any input or suggestions will be very much appreciated!

Thx
 
Sorry for the little high jacking but I have a question:

I am interested in getting a Norinco M14 too and I read from this forum knowing that although the Nork M14 stamped .308 but its actually a 7.62 x 51 my question is if I use off the shelf .308 ammo (150 gr) will I damage the rifle or the gas system?

I don't think I am going into reloading in the near future and since surplus ammo is not easy to come by so I will be primary using factory .308 hunting load.

Any input or suggestions will be very much appreciated!

Thx

It won't. You can go to Cabella's or any sporting goods store and buy boxes of .308 ammo in 150 grain or higher for $15.00 and it will work in your M14S no problem. When you buy surplus it's usually in 7.62X51mm "match" which is the same as .308. Some people have stated a 180 grain bullet is not good for an M14S because of head spacing issues, high pressure, and some of the older models had crappy bolts made out of substandard materials. Others will tell you "that's BS." It's all conjecture and opinion.
 
Buy one of each!!! Depends what you want it for. My M-14 is for hunting and more serious shooting. When I had an SKS it was for having fun and shooting in gravel pits(I've since sold my D model and bought a CZ-858). As for running out of ammo. I'm not too worried cuz I have 6 crates squirreled away.;)
 
Shouldn't the discussion be SVT40 or M14?

The Russian rifles are a marginal design that was produced in large numbers during wartime. The Soviets drove their design bureaus unmercifully and the results weren't always 'market ready'. The SVT40 was based on the SVT38 and replaced by bolt actions and the SKS. The Russians never looked back. That should tell you something. Parts on the open markets are almost nonexistent.

The M14 rifle you can buy in Canada is a counterfeit of an American rifle. But, the M14 started from a better and stronger design inspiration. The body of knowledge to make them very accurate is here in North America. Parts are readily available - in the US - and there are some supplies here in Canada.

The ammunition for the former is dependant on the largesse and generousity of Natural Resources Canada's ammunition import inspectors. Ammunition for the latter is found in just about every gun cabinet and reloading locker.
 
It won't. You can go to Cabella's or any sporting goods store and buy boxes of .308 ammo in 150 grain or higher for $15.00 and it will work in your M14S no problem. When you buy surplus it's usually in 7.62X51mm "match" which is the same as .308. Some people have stated a 180 grain bullet is not good for an M14S because of head spacing issues, high pressure, and some of the older models had crappy bolts made out of substandard materials. Others will tell you "that's BS." It's all conjecture and opinion.

Thanks for your input and advice!

The ammo issue is what my main concern and I would do the same as most CGNs here start building it up as it go (due to budget issue).

Thx again!
 
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