14" barrel cut vs. 14" factory and ammo?

Scott Bear

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Can some one please help me understand the ridiculous Canadian gun laws.

How does the CFC know if the 14" barrel you have on your shotgun was made at the factory or if you had it cut to 14"???

And...is 2 3/4" 12 gauge good enough for grizzly defence?

Thanks for your help,

Scott
 
... How does the CFC know if the 14" barrel you have on your shotgun was made at the factory or if you had it cut to 14"???...

If something were to go sideways, the onus would be on you to prove otherwise.

REM barrels have markings that reveal more than some can imagine.

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Unless the work was done in a machine shop by someone with the skills to replicate even a simple, cylinder-choked Remington barrel it's often not difficult to tell if a barrel has been cut or is factory. The finshing, radius at the muzzle, internal dimensions and the installation of the front bead are generally giveaways of a cut down barrel on a Remington. And if you can't tell the difference then no doubt a Remington gunsmith could.
 
Like he said, the onus is on you to be able to prove that what you possess
is legal.

I'm sure that I'm not the only person keeping the OEM cardboard box, along with all the documents, for this very reason.
 
The lack of choke on a barrel marked otherwise would be the biggest clue.

I have a Cylinder marked 14" barrel and can find no markings that would identify it as a 14" barrel. When I first got it I was worried because I thought all factory 14" barrels were modified choke but apparently this wasn't always the case.
Would a barrel cut down by a pro who remounted the bead in the factory position and refinished it, look identical? I don't really know, I imagine it would be hard to tell them apart if well done. Models that shipped from the factory with 14" barrels can be traced by the serial no., but what about all of us who've tracked down 14" barrels on our own, how do we prove it? I'm not really sure that we can.
Believe that this is exactly why Dlask marks the length on their barrels, people complained to them that they wanted the markings so they couldn't be hassled by the CFC down the road.
 
Like he said, the onus is on you to be able to prove that what you possess
is legal.

I'm sure that I'm not the only person keeping the OEM cardboard box, along with all the documents, for this very reason.

The Crown would have to prove that it is illegal. You are innocent until proven guilty, this is not France.
 
The Crown would have to prove that it is illegal. You are innocent until proven guilty, this is not France.

That's so easy to say.

In the meantime, your guns are confiscated, your house up for sale for legal fees, your wife has left you, fired from you job and living at the house of friendship.
 
So, does anyone have any ideas as to why the politicians made this rule? Why would one 14" barrel be different from any other?

The law was simply enacted to prevent bad guys cutting barrels down to a concealable length. Nothing more.
 
Remington produces barrels in a variety of styles, choke sizes, finishes and lengths depending on demand. They record the date the barrels were produced and rollmark them with a code that identifies that date on the left side of the barrel.

There are also proofmarks recorded and stamped on the barrel. Whomever proofs that barrel may have a specific way only known to him or Remington alone that will further identify the barrel. Their time of employment with REM is a great timeline.

They produce light contoured barrels for instance, that were never used for Police Magnums with markings of their own produced in a different department, as you already know Police Magnums are produced in a separate part of the plant for greater QC. Cut one of those down to size and you'll easily be proven wrong.

There are many other variables that can be considered in establishing when a particular barrel was made and what length a barrel was cut to before it left the factory.
The stamps used to mark the barrels may eventually need to be replaced, the tooling may be differnt from then and now, from one barrel batch to the next and that is plenty to date a barrel.

It may not be a big deal for a machinist to cut a barrel down to size in a very professional way, but to have all the variables coincide just to be sure that it cannot be proven a cut down barrel, is a very long shot and near impossible proposition.

If you unknowingly chose a light contoured barrel for your chop job, even if it has the correct timeline markings, light contoured barrels were never used for Police Magnums or any 14" barrels.

In short words, believe me, Remington knows exactly which barrel was made when, what size and for which gun and to whom, or where it was shipped when it left the factory. They don't even need the serial number.

With today's forensic technology and the knowledge to prove you wrong, I wouldn't mess with cutting barrels to less than the ACT allows.

It would also be a very bad thing to cut a barrel down and later sell it to an unsuspecting soul who believes he bought a bonified REM barrel only to find himself in deep mud.
 
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The other problem is that most cops don't know the firearms laws. The shorter the barrel the more likely you are to attract the attention of a police officer or conservation officer because they take one look at it and immediately think sawed off. If they think it's not legal they will take it on the spot and then it's up to you to prove it is legal. That is why it's best to have your papers and all the t's crossed and the i's dotted.
 
It would also be a very bad thing to cut a barrel down and later sell it to an unsuspecting soul who believes he bought a bonified REM barrel only to find himself in deep mud.

That would be very immoral, but our hypothetical third party would have a very solid, "mistake of fact" defence, that's more commonly used with possession of stolen goods charges.
 
Yes you ar innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn't mean they won't take your gun in the meantime and send it off to be verified. We all agree the law is dumb, but if we want to play the game we have to play by the rules and try and get the law changed
 
short barrels

i ran into this situation with the cfc. short story, if its made by the factory and registered that way ,your good to go, norinco/ dominion arms, has built and imported 12 1/2 inch pumps, and next is an 8 inch, coming soon. you cant shorten a factory barrel below 18 1/2 inches on any rifles because no one makes em that way. except the win trapper at 16 inches. best rule, gun must be over 26 inches overall. break that rule and youll be in court!
 
The other problem is that most cops don't know the firearms laws. The shorter the barrel the more likely you are to attract the attention of a police officer or conservation officer because they take one look at it and immediately think sawed off. If they think it's not legal they will take it on the spot and then it's up to you to prove it is legal. That is why it's best to have your papers and all the t's crossed and the i's dotted.

They may take it for further examination, but it is up to them to justify the seizure and it is certainly up to them to prove it is not legal.
 
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