220 Swift vs. 22-250 Remington

[Pyd]

Neither rifle would make an economical target rifle, for the speeds versus cost versus barrel life you would be pretty darn happy with a .204 Ruger.
Faster than the 22-250 or the Swift (which I love), uses 1/3 of the powder of the 22-250 and has awesome wind bucking abilities.
Sorry, I think .204 every time I hear the number 22-250, just evolution I suppose.

 

[srt4u2nv]

Neither rifle would make an economical target rifle, for the speeds versus cost versus barrel life you would be pretty darn happy with a .204 Ruger.
Faster than the 22-250 or the Swift (which I love), uses 1/3 of the powder of the 22-250 and has awesome wind bucking abilities.
Sorry, I think .204 every time I hear the number 22-250, just evolution I suppose.

Your theory of evolution has a major flaw
.204ruger 40 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon BL-C(2 30.0g 3774fps
.22-250rem 40 GR. NOS BT IMR IMR 3031 36.3g 4224fps
1.) the max loads for a .204ruger to a .22-250 are only 6g or so appart not 1/3 that would mean the .204ruger would use only 12g as a max load no 30g+

2.) looking at the above published loads (in red writing) from hogdons reloading site you will see using the same weight bullet the .22-250 is superior in both fps and down range energy.

3.) barrel life who cares about barrle life? take care of it, when it wears out rebarrel it....its a fact of life things wear out and need replacing.


4.)

 

[Pyd]

Your theory of evolution has a major flaw
.204ruger 40 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon BL-C(2 30.0g 3774fps
.22-250rem 40 GR. NOS BT IMR IMR 3031 36.3g 4224fps
1.) the max loads for a .204ruger to a .22-250 are only 6g or so appart not 1/3 that would mean the .204ruger would use only 12g as a max load no 30g+

2.) looking at the above published loads (in red writing) from hogdons reloading site you will see using the same weight bullet the .22-250 is superior in both fps and down range energy.

3.) barrel life who cares about barrle life? take care of it, when it wears out rebarrel it....its a fact of life things wear out and need replacing.


4.)

I shoot factory stuff.
The ruger .204 is the fastest factory load made, of any caliber.
The only benefit I can see to using a 22-250 is the downrange energy, and as the original poster said, it is for target shooting, paper is not concerned with energy.
Less noise, little to no recoil.

Owned? Might be getting a bit carried away. The cartoon avatar was cute though.

 

[Pyd]

I love fast bullets, and shoot them all, my opinion on the .204 wasn't to start a typical CGN war, it was simply to let the original poster know there is more out there when it comes to the rifles that deliver the speed he is asking about.
I do not have a professional opinion on what he can do with reloading, but I do have a pretty decent and well experienced opinion on fast lead.

Front to back:
Remington, chambered in .17 Remington
Browning, chambered in 22-250, stunning rifle!
Ruger M77 chambered in .220 Swift, and until the .204 my favorite.
Tikka, chambered in Ruger .204

And their corresponding rounds.

 

[srt4u2nv]

I shoot factory stuff.
The ruger .204 is the fastest factory load made, of any caliber.
The only benefit I can see to using a 22-250 is the downrange energy, and as the original poster said, it is for target shooting, paper is not concerned with energy.
Less noise, little to no recoil.

Owned? Might be getting a bit carried away. The cartoon avatar was cute though.

I'm sorry you shoot factory #### thats a bummer your missing out

What? are you joking? I cant find a singe factory load where the same weight bullet flys faster in the .204 then the .22-250 the .22-250 spits 45gr bullets faster then the .204 launches 40gr pills....

less noise? you should be wearing hearing protection so who cares? .22-250's have recoil? news to me I put 100rounds though mine today I didnt notice recoil I actually get to watch the holes appear in the target through my scope its fun.

but think what you will ignorance is bliss

heres another cartoon for you

 

[Eagleye]

While neither of these 22 Hotshots would make my idea of a true Target rifle, I am a Swift fan, through and through. I have never worn out a barrel in 1000, 1500 or even 2500 rounds, but take good care of my Swifts. My first Swift, bought roughly 30 years ago, took 3400 rounds or so to start opening up groups noticeably. If one reloads, The Swift is still the number to beat. [no disrespect intended to the 204 or the 223 WSSM] I have 2 Swifts at present, an older Tang safety Ruger 77V [low round count, early Serial Number] and a Remington 40X. Both will beat 4000 fps easily with 50-52 grain bullets, using a couple of different powders. The 40X will come very close to 4000 fps with the 55 grain pills. Accuracy? What can I say? These rifles are very accurate, most often putting 5 shots at 100 meters into a fairly small, ragged hole. But, if I was shooting targets only, I would build a 22BR or a 22PPC as some have suggested already. The Swift and 22-250 shine in the field, where they truly belong! Regards, Eagleye.

 

[Pyd]

I'm sorry you shoot factory s**t thats a bummer your missing out

What? are you joking? I cant find a singe factory load where the same weight bullet flys faster in the .204 then the .22-250 the .22-250 spits 45gr bullets faster then the .204 launches 40gr pills....

less noise? you should be wearing hearing protection so who cares? .22-250's have recoil? news to me I put 100rounds though mine today I didnt notice recoil I actually get to watch the holes appear in the target through my scope its fun.

but think what you will ignorance is bliss

heres another cartoon for you

It's like talking to one of my kids..
I never said bulletes of the same weight, we are talking two different calibers, therefore two different weights accordingly.
I do not target shoot, ever, I am a hunter. Noise is very important to me in a caliber of a varmint variety, ear plugs and hunting is a really tough combination. Not to mention the neighbors, I live in the country, but not that far in the country. 22-250's are very loud, great gun though.
You are one of very few people I have heard say that a 22-250 has "no recoil", mine certainly does, in comparison.
Eventually I will reload, but right now I have no reason to, and I do agree that I am missing out on something.
100 rounds through your rifle today? you are a target shooter, I am a hunter, I really don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this. I will continue to shoot my varmint rifles and next time I will pay closer attention to the recoil of the 250.
In the meantime, you should try to show a little more restraint when you discuss things, you will find people will take you more seriously, attacking everyone who doesn't share your opinion will get us nowhere.

 

[Pyd]

The Swift is still the number to beat. [no disrespect intended to the 204 or the 223 WSSM] I have 2 Swifts at present, an older Tang safety Ruger 77V [low round count, early Serial Number] and a Remington 40X. Both will beat 4000 fps easily with 50-52 grain bullets, using a couple of different powders. The 40X will come very close to 4000 fps with the 55 grain pills.

Absolutely! Again, from a factory perspective, the closest thing to the speed of the .204 is the Swift (and is is only a 10-20 FPS diff.), and that is doing it with twice the weight of the bullet. I think the Swift lost some steam a while back and for no good reason, it is the king of varmint guns and is due for a return.
It is the noise that keeps me from using it too often in the field, in pre hunt sessions at the range it is, and always will be my favorite gun to shoot, fast, accurate and highly destructive.
I find inside of 300 yards they are all the same gun, so I rely on the reduced noise, reduced recoil of the .204, past 300 the heavier bullets begin to shine and leave the .204 behind.

 

[srt4u2nv]

It's like talking to one of my kids..
I never said bulletes of the same weight, we are talking two different calibers, therefore two different weights accordingly.
I do not target shoot, ever, I am a hunter. Noise is very important to me in a caliber of a varmint variety, ear plugs and hunting is a really tough combination. Not to mention the neighbors, I live in the country, but not that far in the country. 22-250's are very loud, great gun though.
You are one of very few people I have heard say that a 22-250 has "no recoil", mine certainly does, in comparison.
Eventually I will reload, but right now I have no reason to, and I do agree that I am missing out on something.
100 rounds through your rifle today? you are a target shooter, I am a hunter, I really don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this. I will continue to shoot my varmint rifles and next time I will pay closer attention to the recoil of the 250.
In the meantime, you should try to show a little more restraint when you discuss things, you will find people will take you more seriously, attacking everyone who doesn't share your opinion will get us nowhere.

So your kids know how to read ballistic charts better then you to?....you got to compair apples to apples if your going to say the .204 shooing 26gr bullets is faster then a .22-250 shooting 45gr bullets it makes no sence your loading the statement to prove your own opinion....the fact is weight for weight the .22-250 is faster then the .204ruger and if you have proof its not post it but your opinion is worth squat with out proof.....I have posted fact from the hogdon site that the .22-250 is faster and all you have dont is quote your personal opinion like it actually means something where is the proof, web site link???....as for recoil I have never let it be a deciding factor for me its not even a thought when I shoot or buy a rifle you are only shooting one round at a time and until you get up to the larger then .22 calibers it should not even be a deciding factor over performance.

heres some more fact the .204 ruger shooting the lightest bullets available 26g barnes varmin granade and it still doesnt beat the .22-250 untill you compair the 26g BVG to the 45gr .22-250 loads......

.204ruger 26gr BVG over 26.5g RL10x = 4150fps
.22-250 36gr BVG over 40gr RL15= 4417fps

So now that you have been proven wrong for the 3rd time your logic is the lighter .204 is faster then the .22-250 which is not true unless your compairing 45gr bullets to 26gr bullets and I'm sorry I dont know one flippen shooter who would prefer to shoot 26gr over 45gr man if a bird flaps its wings in the wrong direction it will blow the 26g off course you want heavier bullets for target shooting.

P.S. I'm a hunter but I like practicing my shooting its very cheap when you reload 100 rounds cost me about $35 vs buying 5 boxes at $24/box for premium ammo.

 

[Pyd]

You are talking in circles, you have no idea how to compose a sentence and I think you are looking more for a fight than a conversation. Your run on sentences make my head hurt.
Cost of reloading is not a factor for me, accuracy and consistency are.
If you learn to talk in complete sentences and stop trying to find an attack angle I would love to share experiences, until then you can keep you obvious admiration for your only rifle to yourself.

What is with this place and these creeps that come out of the woodwork for the sole purpose of attacking people, posting cartoon pictures and think by saying "I proved you wrong" makes them think they are right? I love all rifles, own most and just like to share my experiences. Here I sit being attacked by someone who obviously doesn't own the other rifles in the conversation.
I am out of this thread, good luck to the original poster, above all, keep an open mind, you have a lot of options out there.

 

[beaverfur]

.204 is not faster then 22-250.

 

[srt4u2nv]

You are talking in circles, you have no idea how to compose a sentence and I think you are looking more for a fight than a conversation. Your run on sentences make my head hurt.
Cost of reloading is not a factor for me, accuracy and consistency are.
If you learn to talk in complete sentences and stop trying to find an attack angle I would love to share experiences, until then you can keep you obvious admiration for your only rifle to yourself.

What is with this place and these creeps that come out of the woodwork for the sole purpose of attacking people, posting cartoon pictures and think by saying "I proved you wrong" makes them think they are right? I love all rifles, own most and just like to share my experiences. Here I sit being attacked by someone who obviously doesn't own the other rifles in the conversation.
I am out of this thread, good luck to the original poster, above all, keep an open mind, you have a lot of options out there.

Right clearly I'm the one who wants to fight you know posting fact is simply not tolerated here. Like I have said before if I'm wrong please back it up thats all. Your dancing around your own lie while trying to make me look out of line, when its you thats peddling bulls**t in this thread.

.22-250 for life I use it for everything from mice to moose

and because you love them so much


have a nice evening

 

[savagelh]

PYD does that m77 have a right bolt/left port? If so that's awesome , I've never seen a ruger like that. Is it a single shot?