Tavor VS Type 97??

I missed your post lector - any more updates?
The updates are that some people do not return my calls anymore.
I hope it doesn't mean what I believe it does,
but I was hoping to have, at least, a straight answer
about their decision.
After all, in all of this, it's not me who is the challenger...

I also do not know what to tell to the owner of the gun
who was more than nice so far (to provide the rifle and
to show all the understanding in the world for my requests
regarding his property).







The new sig line pic that Dekard has is the Eagle Trasnporter space ship from the Series "Space 1999".....:)
Cool :cool:

And this is YouKnowWho running for cover
after being caught stealing pictures (and hubcaps) :D
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Hi. I just stumbled on this Tavor discussion.
Seeing it makes me chuckle a bit.
Well, I should say that I am biased.

I had the pleasure and honour to work with mikey hartmann in 1997 in the field practice and development of the tavor. Back than there was only 1 model type we were working with but now adays I think there are at least 3 or four different tavor models. They differ in barrel lengths, stock material, polymer and design.
The thought behind the tavor was to create a rifle with a bullllpup design. To reduce the silhouette of the solder as mush as possible with out compromising accuracy. This is not a sniper rifle, however the fact the chamber is located way in the back gives it a lot of extra barrel length.
It’s a more compact rifle with eh center of gravity in the back end with makes the front end lighter which in turns means that you get less “shakes” when bringing the rifle and sighting your target. The rifle is very well balanced I never got that shakynes like I used to get when holding a long M16where my forearm used to start to tremble after trying to hold it up for a while.
This rifle was designed for close encounters and to shoot in tight corners however it can even shoot up to 300 meters fairly well so to the length of the barrel that is mostly internal.

I would recommend having a look at this site and having a look at the first vid’ clip.
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/tavor/Tavor.html

Heck…. You can even see mikey as being the instructor there for they guy that’s trying the tavo out… that’s funny. Ill have to make fun of him for that…..LOL..
Well. I hope this setles a few if the issues if not than its just another angel.
Cheers.
 
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The updates are that some people do not return my calls anymore.
I hope it doesn't mean what I believe it does,
but I was hoping to have, at least, a straight answer
about their decision.
After all, in all of this, it's not me who is the challenger...

I also do not know what to tell to the owner of the gun
who was more than nice so far (to provide the rifle and
to show all the understanding in the world for my requests
regarding his property).
The official word is that the Tavor team bailed out. They do not wish to follow thru with this competition. I'm blaming it on you and your idiotic condition of betting your rifles. Your hardass way makes me hate you sometimes. If it was a friendly competition as you promised, maybe they could have played along.


I wish I was there...
I hope they don't use the scope rail with adjustable height,
that would be weird...:redface:
No no no. YOU are weird. That was the Tavor rail designed by you and anybody would take pride in such a fine piece of work. But no, not you. You are one of the very few people i have met that can be a hardass even with himself. You and your never ending quest for improvement at any price and self imposed spirit of practicality. What was wrong with that adjustable rail? i would have loved to have an adjustable mount like it, not only for the Tavor i have sold but for any rifle so i can adjust it for any kind of optic i wish to use.
 
I am good friend with someone fortunate to survive the hell that is Liberia. Mind laying off a little bit How much is enough for you honestly? I let this go for a long time. Liberian olympics? You deserve to endure the same #### as them. I bet you take pleasure in the suffering of the civilians so you can make your god damn jokes. I can'tmake fun of the French but you can make jokes all you want about a war that causes untold suffering.

Forgot to add, that man is now fighting hard for your right to own a firearm, thankfully he doesn't have to go through the 3 or 4 threads of hate you and a few others have put up and fed.
 
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It's all fun and games until we have to live through it. I told myself on the last thread I wouldn't put up with anymore. Enough is enough. THose people are going through hell and we make fun because the people killing them are dumb enough to wear work gloves and lifejackets.
 
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I am good friend with someone fortunate to survive the hell that is Liberia. Mind laying off a little bit you ignorant a**hole?? How much is enough for you honestly? I let this go for a long time. Dumb black N****** huh? You piece of garbage. Liberian olympics? You deserve to endure the same s**t as them. I bet you take pleasure in the suffering of the civilians so you can make your god damn jokes. I can'tmake fun of the French but you can make jokes all you want about a war that causes untold suffering.

Forgot to add, that man is now fighting hard for your right to own a firearm, thankfully he doesn't have to go through the 3 or 4 threads of hate you and a few others have put up and fed.
Hm... Just out of curiousity,
do you use the same hand to eat and type?

As I posted a lot of these pix,
and indirectly (but repeatedly) pushing or encouraging
some people (Deckard included) to respond in the same way,
I ask that I take all the blame and be held responsible
for everything picture-related that is derived from that.

But also, I think it’s fair that I respond to your post.



Let’s see...



Dumb black N****** huh?
Huh?? Where is that coming from?
Whose post are you quoting?
What happened? Too much booze? Are you hearing voices?


I bet you take pleasure in the suffering of the civilians so you can make your god damn jokes.
You're assuming, right?



Liberian olympics?
What is wrong with that???



I can’t make fun of the French ...
I don’t see how that is Deckard’s problem.
As for me, please make fun of them any way you want.


I told myself on the last thread I wouldn't put up with anymore.
Nobody is forcing you. You can read other threads. Or watch “The Hills”.



...but you can make jokes all you want about a war that causes untold suffering.
Hm, yeah... but he doesn’t. He (and me and others) have a good laugh
at some shooting stances, at some funny way of dressing,
and at the world-wide spreading of the “gangsta” style.
For your information only, the sites these pix were taken from,
also contain MANY other pix, some very disturbing,
like torture, executions (some by decapitation),
rape in progress, etc., and A LOT of blood.
I don’t see ANY of those pix posted on this site
let alone people joking about them. Do you see any???



.... through the 3 or 4 threads of hate you and a few others have put up and fed.
No sh!t... Show me. Post links. I didn’t see these threads.
I, for one, posted over 130 of Liberia pix on this board and
they didn’t cause any hate.
When I run out of pix from Liberia, I have posted from Haiti.
On a different note, if Deckard and the "few others" are so offensive,
did you think to use your ignore button?



As for what your friend had to "endure",
there are few on this board who had to live through war more than once,
wheather they were wearing an uniform or not.
Did you intend to impress anybody with your friend's story?




Anyway, I don’t see how your sensibilities and
your political correctness justify things like these:
... you ignorant a**hole??...
...You piece of garbage...
... You deserve to endure the same s**t as them.

As I said, regardless of who you talk to in your post,
I’ll take this fight (at least until I will be banned)
if you really are up to it. Let’s see what you are made of.
If you are now too drunk to respond to my post,
don’t worry about it, you can do it tomorrow
or whenever you are sober. I’ll wait.
Also, I can take any flaming you can come up with,
but if you continue as in the last quote,
I have the feeling that you will be told in great anatomical detail
what precise names to call your own family members.

Waiting for your reply,
Mobutu
 
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He can make a point without personal attacks I'll say that much. The accusations are way out of line. I await his glorious attacks on the dozens of others who have made comments.

But on his prompting, I am trying to find a way not to think of those people in those particular photographs as ridiculous.
 
Back to top, since the competition is dead and the thread got derailed. I know a lot of people think Norinco is crap, but I still wish someone could do a head to head comparison. Pics, range results, the whole 9 yards. I think many would be pleasantly surprised by the norc.
 
Sure.
Attention whorring behaviour and noise making techniques.
Also, somebody may get bored to death
since they suspended his troll-hunting licence.
 
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I shot a Tavor today. With a trigger job by the owner, an aftermarket rail and an Elcan. It sure was fun. I honestly don't expect the Type 97 I ordered to be able to compare.

If the Tavor came in for 2K without the crap optics and a standard rail. I'd be all over it. Add in an aftermarket available match/bull barrel and this thing would be dynamite. The ergonomics are fantastic. A really great gun.

If the Tavor was available without the optics for 2K with a rail, I'd probably consider canceling my Type 97 order. As it stands now I'll still get the Type 97.
 
I shot a Tavor today. With a trigger job by the owner, an aftermarket rail and an Elcan. It sure was fun. I honestly don't expect the Type 97 I ordered to be able to compare.

If the Tavor came in for 2K without the crap optics and a standard rail. I'd be all over it. Add in an aftermarket available match/bull barrel and this thing would be dynamite. The ergonomics are fantastic. A really great gun.

If the Tavor was available without the optics for 2K with a rail, I'd probably consider canceling my Type 97 order. As it stands now I'll still get the Type 97.

I think you will be happy with it. I'll say it again, it's not your typical Norinco. It's much better built than any Norinco I've seen. The only other Norc firearm that compares in fit and finish (that I've examined) is the CF98 pistol. I wish I could fire a Tavor and write a proper comparison.
 
I think you will be happy with it. I'll say it again, it's not your typical Norinco. It's much better built than any Norinco I've seen. The only other Norc firearm that compares in fit and finish (that I've examined) is the CF98 pistol. I wish I could fire a Tavor and write a proper comparison.

Good stuff Clobersauras. I'm still looking forward to my Type 97 :D. It's a cool rifle at a decent price. I just hope the 1.5-5x 30mm SIR Falcon scope I got for it isn't too big. The height of the carry handle has me a bit worried about mounting optics on it. I may have to just keep it iron sights. We'll see. Should be fun either way.
 
Good stuff Clobersauras. I'm still looking forward to my Type 97 :D. It's a cool rifle at a decent price. I just hope the 1.5-5x 30mm SIR Falcon scope I got for it isn't too big. The height of the carry handle has me a bit worried about mounting optics on it. I may have to just keep it iron sights. We'll see. Should be fun either way.

It will probably be OK, just search for the absolute lowest rings you can find. I've tested the original chinese optic that they sell at lever and the cheek weld was perfectly fine.
 
Can you PLEASE provide me with example of BEST engineering CHINA has to offer???

The only thing I see from them is being capable of churning out products on a massive scale....but usually very cheaply put together product.

For example...

I bought a Zstar quad(Made in China).

The rear-axle wheel bearings piled up after about 1 KM.

Upon further inspection the bearings were not sealed and contained no grease. The ball bearings themselves broke up into chunks....is this the kind of engineering excellence and quality you are speaking of....:wave::slap:

Made in China doesn't really instill alot of confidence....

I really dont think your Zstar quad can represent every thing "Made in China".
You got what you paid for....
 
I think you will be happy with it. I'll say it again, it's not your typical Norinco. It's much better built than any Norinco I've seen. The only other Norc firearm that compares in fit and finish (that I've examined) is the CF98 pistol. I wish I could fire a Tavor and write a proper comparison.

I still wait my T97 coming.
But if you are in onatrio. i can let you fire my Tavor and do it you comparison.
 
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