Big Rack

You are likely 10x the hunter this guy is.....again so what. Are you in a competition with him? All your comments just seem to ooze of petty jealousy.

Wow again with the jealousy comments... if I was so jealous of him then wouldn't I have to be a "trophy collector"? Feel free to come out to my place and have a look around, the only antler I have is one I picked off the ground. I don't hunt for trophies....

It's not jealousy, I just happen to have allot more respect for animals, especially one of that size.

Am I better hunter? Probably not, I probably would have froze if the world record moose stepped up infront of me (actually I did freeze last time when I came nose to nose with a moose).

Do I feel as though I have better ethics than that guy, sure I do.

Do I believe that guy should be in the record books? Sure he found the animal his way, shot it, and thus gets to claim the rewards of it.

do I believe that guy should be called a hunter? No I do not, nothing he did was hunting, everyone else did the hunting he just pulled the trigger.

I'm sorry if I express my morals so strongly but it was the way I was raised. Hunt for one reason and one reason only, meat, and if that animal happens to have huge antlers then that is just a bonus. That is my morals towards hunting, doesn't make me right nor wrong but I am allowed to state them just like anyone else on these forums.
 
Wow again with the jealousy comments...

It's not jealousy, I just happen to have allot more respect for animals, especially one of that size.

Am I better hunter? Probably not, I probably would have froze if the world record moose stepped up infront of me (actually I did freeze last time when I came nose to nose with a moose).

Do I feel as though I have better ethics than that guy, sure I do.

Do I believe that guy should be in the record books? Sure he found the animal his way, shot it, and thus gets to claim the rewards of it.

do I believe that guy should be called a hunter? No I do not, nothing he did was hunting, everyone else did the hunting he just pulled the trigger.

I'm sorry if I express my morals so strongly but it was the way I was raised. Hunt for one reason and one reason only, meat, and if that animal happens to have huge antlers then that is just a bonus. That is my morals towards hunting, doesn't make me right nor wrong but I am allowed to state them just like anyone else on these forums.


I'm all for you expressing your morals...just not for you trying to force them down everyone else's throat. We all hunt for different reasons and that should be celebrated......not berated. You seem to be of the opinion that if everyone doesn't hunt for the exact same reasons as you that they are somewhat less of a hunter. I don't hunt for meat first.....I hunt for the experience first but that's just me. If others hunt for other reasons first, far be it for me to call them down but that's just the way I was raised. I think my Grandfather would be proud.....he was a very insightful and tolerant man.
 
Congrats on a huge elk!! However he got. I wish I had that kinda money to through around on hunting alone!!
Every year I go back to Sask and hunt whitetails where I grew up and alot of my family still lives. My uncle has the chance to spend alot of time spotting deer and seeing where the feed, or where they come out in the morning and such. By the time I get there it is just a matter of us checking a few of these spots over and trying to find one of the big bucks he has told me about. Not as easy as it sounds either. Now does this deem me to be any less of hunter, I sure dont think so! I feel proud when I harvest an animal that is above average quality than what other hunters harvest. I agree that people hunt for different reasons, but why is one reason for hunting less than anothers? I eat, and give my family and friends that no longer hunt but still enjoy eating wild meat, all the meat from all the animals I harvest. But I also hunt for trophy's (what I consider a trophy will differ to the next guy). I would rather not get an animal than shoot a small deer that may one day be a giant.
 
Ummmm Looking at that pic again. How low would you have to bolt that mount on your wall so you don't have to cut a hole into your attic to accomadate the antlers anyway?

Seriously... What would YOU do with that mount? (I'm curious for neat ideas here.)

I fellow I know in Saskatchewan has a living room with a 1 1/2 storey ceiling. He has his bull elk almost floor to ceiling. Another clever mount I saw was a 90deg corner back. The shoulders are sort of narrow, and the antlers quite of wide. Why waste a whole wall?
 
The elk is definitly impressive, but the way it was taken is not. Paying six figures for a tag, and hiring umpteen guides to track, find, and keep tabs on the elk until he could show up in his leer jet and take the shot. It isn't hunting, he was in it for the rack not the hunt.

Hunting for me is a week in the bush with my closest friends, tracking, and pushing if need be. Taking home an animal is a bonus, its everything else that goes on that makes every year memorable.

For those who are saying "How is this any different that 12 guys sharing a moose tag"...Do 11 of the 12 watch that bull 24/7 for a week, then hunter #12 shows up and takes the shot?

Good point... Do the rest of the team pass up on other Large elks that they see during the hunt.. no chance... 1 for 12 guys for a moose hunt.. First Bull seen ussually takes the bullet.. Unless your in a area littered with big bulls
 
Now Im not saying that if a huge buck and a little buck were standing side by side that I would still shoot the little buck. Like I said before the meat is the main thing and a huge rack is secondary (same with women).

I know around here though that you'd have better meat shooting the young bull moose than the old one. Around here the huge old bull moose are tough as hell no matter what you do....

But personally with this world class elk, the checkbook IS mightier than the hunting rifle.... :D
 
if the guy has the money and wants to drop $400k on a elk hunt then more power to him.. as long as he didnt do anything illegal then I don't see the problem.

I dont know if thats the way I would go about it, but I dont have lots of money so I can't say I what I would do if I did.

I would probably be hunting out of a stretch limo with a dozen playboy bunnies instead of a bunch of grubby mountain guides.

people drop big money on african safaris all the time, and they expect to be toured around and shown trophy animals so they can pick the one they want.

real hunting purists are out there in the forest in a loincloth, covered in mud, hunting what ever they can get close enough to impale with a wooden spear!
 
The sale of "special" Govenor's Tags isn't a new or unique thing. A lot of states raffle/auction them off specifically to raise money for their Conservation programs. They are almost always purchased by independently wealthy individuals who can afford the tens/hundreds of thousands these special tags for grizzly, dalls sheep, big horn sheep, elk, etc...fetch at annual sportsmens dinners.

From what I understand, the guy humped his rifle and pack up and down mountains, just like his guides. Just because he has the cash to hire more than one guide doesn't make him any less of a hunter. Just look at hunting in Africa. Because the PH has hired a dozen locals to act as trackers, drivers, etc...does that mean they hunter/client who spends two weeks walking the savannah isn't a hunter after bagging his Cape Buffalo, elephant or Lion?

I'm personally more of a meat hunter than a trophy hunter. I've got some racks sitting in the loft of the barn that might make book if I ever got around to having them scored, but probably won't ever bother. Keeping the racks doesn't make me any less of a hunter, just as it doesn't make this gentleman any less of a hunter because he was after a world-class trophy.

As far as can be determined, all state/federal hunting regulations were followed and the animal was taken under fair-chase conditions. That guy was a hunter and should be congratulated for taking such a great animal. I'm sure if any of us on this board were multi-millionaires, we wouldn't hesitate to drop similar coin on a trip we've dreamed about all our lives.
 
I don't have an issue with the price he paid for the tag, I'd pay big money too for a hunt in a prime area with great potential for a trophy, if I had the money. Governor's tags raise a ton of money for conservation which we all agree is a good thing. I take issue with the use of the word "hunting" to describe what happened in this case. Yes, someone did hunt the elk, but it wasn't the guy that shot it. He just killed it.

From Wiktionary (all I have access to):

to hunt

- To chase down prey and (usually) kill it.
Her uncle is out deer hunting, now that it is open season.
- To try to find something; search.
The little girl was hunting for shells on the beach.

to kill

- The act of killing.
The assassin liked to make a clean kill, and thus favored small arms over explosives.
- Specifically, the death blow.
The hunter delivered the kill with a rifle shot to the heart.
- The result of killing; that which has been killed.
The fox dragged its kill back to its den.

In this case, the rich man killed the elk. The guides hunted the elk. And I agree, it might as well have been tied to a tree with a team of people watching it's movements. I just hope the guy tipped the guides well.
 
From boone and crockett

MISSOULA, Mont.—Perhaps the largest elk ever produced in the wild—a Utah bull taken in 2008 by a hunter on public land—has been confirmed as a new World's Record. The official declaration was made today by the Boone and Crockett Club.

A Special Judges Panel determined a final score of 478-5/8 Boone and Crockett non-typical points, an incredible 93 inches above the B&C minimum score of 385 for non-typical American elk and 13-plus inches larger than the previous World’s Record.

With official data dating back to 1830, at 499-3/8 inches it is the only elk on record with a gross score approaching the 500-inch mark.

The giant bull has 9 points on the left antler and 14 points on the right. The larger antler has a base circumference over nine inches.

The Boone and Crockett scoring system, long used to measure the success of wildlife conservation and management programs across North America, rewards antler size and symmetry, but also recognizes Nature's imperfections with non-typical categories for most antlered game. The bull’s final score of 478-5/8 inches included an incredible 140 inches of abnormal points.

"Along with measurements that honor the quality of the animal, Boone and Crockett Club records also honor fair-chase hunting," said Eldon Buckner, chairman of the Club’s Records of North American Big Game committee. "Through our entry process, signed affidavits and follow-up interviews with the hunter, his guides, and state and federal officials, we were satisfied that this bull was indeed a wild, free-ranging trophy and that the tenets of fair chase were used in the harvest."

The hunter, Denny Austad of Ammon, Idaho, hunted the Monroe Mountain District in south-central Utah. Hunting with a self-designed rifle, Austad killed the bull on Sept. 30, 2008. He hunted for 13 days before connecting with the trophy, dubbed “spider bull” for its unique antler configuration.
On behalf of the Boone and Crockett Club, Buckner congratulated Austad and credited his new World’s Record to the tremendous management of habitat and wildlife by the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources and the Fishlake National Forest.

"Utah's conservation professionals really deserve a pat on the back, as do the citizens of Utah for their support of their state’s wildlife programs," said Buckner.

Across North America, ever-improving conservation practices have translated to flourishing big game populations, with balanced age-class and mature, trophy animals. Over the past 30 years, qualifying Boone and Crockett records book entries for American elk have increased 193 percent from a total of 14 in 1977 to 41 in 2007.

Across all categories of native North American big game the overall trend is even higher with 344 qualifiers in 1977 up to 1,151 in 2007--a 234 percent increase.

The previous World’s Record for non-typical American elk was 465-2/8 B&C points. That bull was found dead, frozen in Upper Arrow Lake, B.C., in 1994, and was entered into Boone and Crockett Club records by the B.C. Ministry of Environment on behalf of the citizens of British Columbia.

For hunter-taken non-typical American elk, the previous top bull scored 450-6/8 B&C points, taken in 1998 in Apache County, Ariz., by Alan Hamberlin.

Boone and Crockett Club also keeps records for Roosevelt’s and Tule elk. World's Records for these categories are substantially smaller than those for American elk.


I think this guy put in a bit of his own legwork. Just because he had the cash to hire some help, many of you assume he was "buying" the horns. I have a feeling this guy started out like alot of us, and still holds the value of the "hunt" just as high as the value of the "kill".
 
The hunter, Denny Austad of Ammon, Idaho, hunted the Monroe Mountain District in south-central Utah. Hunting with a self-designed rifle, Austad killed the bull on Sept. 30, 2008. He hunted for 13 days before connecting with the trophy, dubbed “spider bull” for its unique antler configuration.

Geeze that kind of contradicts some of the other stories I've heard on here about the guy being teleported to GPS coordinates......I wonder who I should believe....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sounds to me like he hunted at least according to Wiki.......

Gotta love hunters......let's feed on our own because they accomplished something we didn't......:rolleyes::rolleyes: It couldn't be because they were a hunter too.
 
"A Mossback guide spotted the bull, alive and well, on Sept. 28, two days before Austad was scheduled to return. Early on Sept. 30, Austad dropped the bull with one shot from a rifle he designed himself."

That is a clip from the original article, not the article about the b&c scoring. Yes he hunted for 12 days....then he left, paid guides to keep tabs on the animal, then shot it....heres the link, read it yourself....
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11380830
This isn't resentment, its hunting ethics...
 
Just shake his hand

Lots of jealousy here about this bull. It wasn’t a high fence bull and yes he paid a pile of dough for the opportunity to kill it. Curious where you guys draw the line to what is “ethical”? He paid a lot of money for a tag and then a lot of money for a guiding service. Funny what is out of reach for most becomes immoral?

With some of what is being said I guess the naysayers here will never go on a guided fishing trip or charter when you are on your next holiday. After all the Captain will take you right to the fish and all you have to do is lower your lure or bait when he tells you to. Never mind the fish finder and electronics that aid in the harvest?
 
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