1022 Tommy Gun Kit

Mr AR15

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Well someone in the states beat me to it. And, at their prices I couldn't begin to compete unless I made thousands of them. Check it out:

http://www .1022fungun.com/store/pc/home.asp

Its not as nice as what mine was going to be:rolleyes: in that my receiver covered the 1022 receiver completely. You would need to do a second take to realize it wasn't a Thompson. Their version only covers some of the receiver so you can immediately tell its a 1022. Their wood components are not standard Thompson pieces either. The butt stock is at least 2" shorter and is fastened all wrong. But, it does kind of look like a Thompson and I expect lots of people will be buying them even with their shortcomings.

So guys, I don't think I'll be pursuing a Thompson 1022 kit or the MP5 kit. The big problem, of course, is manufacturing costs. You really need to make alot of these to break even otherwise it becomes cost prohibitive and the market in Canada is so small.
 
in that my receiver covered the 1022 receiver completely.
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The original serial number on the receiver must remain visible.

I would still be interested in a better conversion.
 
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Just don't let it stop you from building your own custom one. There is nothing like building it yourself.

I think this would turn people off. The new stock does not cover the pins. Its from the assembly instructions:

IMPORTANT! DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP! See Figure 2 below. For safety and reliability, the cross-pins holes for the trigger pivot pin and magazine catch pivot pin MUST be staked to keep the pins from sliding out. To stake the pin holes, leave the cross-pins in place. Support the trigger group solidly on its side, a thin piece of wood underneath to level it helps. Using the center punch and hammer, make a small dent in the body of the trigger group right at the edge of the cross-pin holes, pushing slightly in towards the center of the hole. The dent should overhang the edge of the hole enough to keep the pins from sliding out. Be sure to do both sides! After staking, try pushing the pins side to side to make sure they will stay.
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I've had a Pro Mag Drum for over a year now but it doesn't get much use a the moment as it's too easy to go through a brick of .22's:p. The first couple of hundred jam up frequently and you swear:mad: at it alot but after that it works almost flawlessly:). Even the instructions say you need to go through a break in period before it will work properly. They're right and after breaking it in its worked great but boy can you burn the ammo with it.:eek:


CNADNSL8-5, I'll still finish mine and as it turns out I learned a little bit about their unit and how I might make mine a little better because of it. I'd sure like to know where they get their wood components and still be able to charge what they are asking for a complete kit. I was figuring on a price of around $600 for a kit and that's not making much off of each kit sold. Just the wood alone was going to be $250 or so.:(
 
from reading the site, it does not include mag or gun, or any restricted components, so i can't see it being a problem. i think i need one for the CGN gopher shoot!
 
I called the owner today

had a nice chat. the result of which MAY and I repeat MAY be the following

1. he is off to the shot show shortly

2. he is going to try to check with ATF on some things

3. he now has some contacts in canada to pursue importation and exportation

4. he may contact mr ar15 once he navigates this site upon his return from the shot show

5. there may be a possibility he could link up with a barrel maker that imports now into canada

6. MUCH OF THIS IS JUST WISHING AT THIS POINT, there may be a chance for him to sell the KIT FORM to a business that may bring them into canada on a trial basis to see how they would sell,

so maybe besides my contact mrar15 might consider calling him at the end of the month (website partially down and of to shotshow) to lend a hand,

NET RESULT is a strong perhaps, anyway he seemed receptive to following up on this regarding ATF and exportation as a onesy and twosey sale to canada is not condusive to making any money.

let us see where this goes

keep your fingees crossed

Jefferson
 
I'm not sure why he would want to have a conversation with me. :confused: I could be his competitor if I kept the Thompson kit going. I don't think he would want to give away anything as he has even gone to the point of getting a patent pending for his kit. Not sure why you would want to do that as it's so simple to copy and make enough changes to not infringe on his patent.

I sure would like to know who his supplier is for the wood components. He must be getting a great price on the wood to be able to charge what he does. I think I know why his price is so low. The machining part of it is very simple. My receiver requires full inletting to completely hide the 1022 receiver. I also need to machine an identical ejection port, the correct contouring of an M1 receiver and several other pieces which haven't been designed yet. So the machining costs for my receiver would be considerably more. Just my machining costs alone would add up to more than his entire kit sells for. That's the main reason for not going ahead with the kit. It would just cost way too much for the average shooter and how many people would buy it.. 10, 25, 50. Even 50 is not enough. The market here is just way to small to support the number of units you would have to make just to break even.

If he wants to introduce his product into Canada he might be better off talking with Fabrice from FabSports. Fabrice does alot of business in the states and he's always looking for something new to add to his web site.
 
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If he wants to introduce his product into Canada he might be better off talking with Fabrice from FabSports. Fabrice does alot of business in the states and he's always looking for something new to add to his web site.
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And sicne he's at SHOT show, he might even meet with him already
 
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let us see where this goes
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My guess..... 'Nowhere. :D



I mean c'mon.... It's not gonna fool anyone into mistaking your 10/22 for a Thompson. :rolleyes:

'Reminds me of a guy I knew who put a body kit on his #### box Fiero and called it his Ferrari..
 
Hello from south of the border.
Thank you, Jefferson, for being patient and following up with me by telephone. The website is full of bugs right now. It was not forwarding emails through the site link so I did not receive your message. My apologies, this is fixed now.

I have done some research already regarding ATF Approval and what is needed to export to Canada. I will be following up on this at the SHOT Show.

To produce either a complete .22LR Tommy or make an exact replica of a Tommy with a 10/22 stuck inside would have been cost prohibitive.
The concept here was for everyman to be able to have some Tommy fun for $500 or less. This is what drove forward the design ideas.
Real Tommy's sell for $15,000 - 20,000 here in the USA, if you can get a Class 3 permit etc. The AutoOrdnance semi-auto Tommys sell for $1200-1500, but are not allowed into California and many other states due to restrictions and bans. Wall Hanger Tommys with fake receivers sell for $700-800 here, and are not even allowed into California and other states. Hence my kit for the Ruger 1022 that everyone has and is legal everywhere.

As to some comments above:
Tommy Buttstocks attached in a few different ways...some had a quick disconnect latch, some were bolt on. There are many many variations over the years. I purchased many genuine Tommy wood samples from surplus vendors during the development phase and I was suprised how none were the same. Yes, they come in different lengths, too. Even the rear pistol grips were made in three different types. So an exact Tommy reproduction is not possible...which version are you reproducing?
Surplus buttstocks with the quick detach mechanism inside sell for $200-300 here in the states, this does not include the latch mechanism in the gun itself, making this option cost prohibitive for everyman, so the bolt on attachment was used.

Regret the staking of the pins is needed. Some 1022 pins are tight as is, some are not, but staking is recommended for all to avoid any problems. Takes 5 minutes or less, one time only. So far, there have been no complaints regarding this from customers who have Kits already.

Patent is being done to prevent someone else from patenting the Kit and then stopping me from making my own product. I have a lot of money tied up in tooling and minimum production run orders, so I have to protect myself.
I do not care if you make your own Tommy, I would not pursue stopping anyone from doing this. We all love to tinker and create!

The receiver extension was revised many times to reduce machine time and material use to hold costs down. Yes, there is a requirement that the Manufacturer's markings, caliber, place of manufacture and serial number not be covered up, which did affect the design. Many other types of 1022 Kits do not comply with this Federal regulation, our ATF is shutting these guys down now. My Kit is fully in compliance as to markings and minimum overall length.

Jefferson, I will follow up with you upon return from the show.

Best regards to all, I have to go now, busy, busy! :)
 
There is no legal reason why this kit could not be imported, I have had several 10-22 stocks imported with no problems in the last few months. I think the short barrel off my Krinker would make the military model look a litttle scary.

If they do sell to Canadians i will buy one just for fun. Its does not look like a real thompson of course but at least it will be fun to play with.
 
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