Bad Canadian IPSC Press in Front Sight

flinter said:
I think if you read all the posts again(I assume you will)you will find most people don't condon this type of behaviour
However most ROs are reluctant to issue a Unsportsman like conduct penalty and usually try to calm people down and get the match back under way

At the match(until this letter was printed)almost 300 people didn't know there was a problem

I would urge you to go to matches and have fun
I've been to a lot of matches and this behavor is rare and frowned upon
Yes there are people who swear too much or too easily
They need to realise this is rude

Come to a match in Alberta
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The behavior isn't common, but the old boys club feeling is. From the matches I've attended(spectator, wasn't BB so I couldn't shoot) the atmosphere is definitely that of an "elite" around many of the competitors. Not all, there are a good number of great folks who are eager to chat it up with new shooters and spectators alike.

TDC
 
rotncore said:
As a relative outsider to the sport (BB and qualifier only so far), this whole thing doesn't make me want to get more involved.

The sport has enough of an "old boys/insiders only" feel to it as it is. I go to the range to have fun, and want matches to reflect that, but I have the impression that type A personalities and pissing matches are somewhat common. I suggest some of you who I assume are higher in the organization of IPSC consider how the sport looks to those considering becoming involved. You may be dooming it to a slow death if new shooters don't stick around. :(
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It is sad, that you are just starting and you have already 'strong' opinion on this, not knowing what truly has happened. This person who wrote an article probably must overheard something, and if he got offended with language it is regrettable.
Now, from the other site. I was involved in sports where I was competing on national level and can say, only very few people could restrain themselves from using colorful language. Next time when you watch NHL game pay attention to players reaction after referee makes the call.
Yet, if that man who is not happy with certain individual from Canada uses a wife of 'one of the best shooters' as cover he should feel shame.
If my wife would be present where someone is using offensive language over and over again, what I will do? I will quiet that person big time.
So please do not become a judgemental one (we have best ROs and they can take care themselves), we have fair number of these type of shooters in our sport, rather go there, practice, shoot Alaf's, win and enjoy sport which is really wonderful.


Greetings,

Peter
 
Hey guys,

I'm not sure if I qualified as one of the "old boys" but I've been shooting IPSC since 1995 and I hang around with many of the "elite" shooters. I also teach BB courses.

When I first started I also felt that many of the people were snooty and stand-offish but then I approached a couple of the supposed "elites" and got to know them. (Oh, and I was a cop then so I heard all about how cops can't shoot, and all of the stupid cop stories...but not from the "elite " shooters).

Often, I found that it wasn't really snootiness but it was often shyness, competitive spirit (read that as game face) or, in one case, deafness. Almost all of those guys are now good friends of mine.:)

Many if not all of those folks are a great source of information and are very willing to help out a new shooter when asked... just don't ask when they are the on-deck shooter!:eek:

IPSC is not really a unique shooting sport... I've met jerks in IDPA, PPC, Skeet, archery and Precision rifle.

For you new guys, don't give up on a sport if you enjoy it and don't be shy! Say "Hi".

As to this incident, the only "incident" that I see here is a negative letter in Front Sight. It isn't something to stop shooting IPSC over. If it was such an issue at the time, the competitior would have been tossed. Canadians are well liked and respected in the States and they love hosting us.

Oh, and the lady whio was present... she can take care of herself just fine!;)
 
tritium said:
Often, I found that it wasn't really snootiness but it was often shyness, competitive spirit (read that as game face) or, in one case, deafness. Almost all of those guys are now good friends of mine.:)
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You know Trit, you make a good point. I've had a bunch of folks over the years finally come clean and tell me they were afraid to approach me at first. Then, when they got to know me they realized they were in fact correct to be afraid. Of course, my complete lack of neck, long apish arms, simian brow ridge, sharpened teeth and cold, beady, emotionless shark-like eyes help enhance the effect.

Seriously; if anyone out there is thinking of leaving IPSC or not joining IPSC because you don't feel you can "connect" or or feel included, or because people seem to argue a lot....DON'T. IPSC is a big family and like all families, people squabble sometimes. It's no big deal. I've been in this game for quite a while so I guess I'm now one of the old guard. If you have a question or just want to chat, feel free to approach me any time. I'm competitive, so if I'm about to shoot a stage, I'll just say so and be happy talk to you after I'm done. Fair enough?
 
rotncore said:
As a relative outsider to the sport (BB and qualifier only so far), this whole thing doesn't make me want to get more involved.

The sport has enough of an "old boys/insiders only" feel to it as it is. I go to the range to have fun, and want matches to reflect that, but I have the impression that type A personalities and pissing matches are somewhat common. I suggest some of you who I assume are higher in the organization of IPSC consider how the sport looks to those considering becoming involved. You may be dooming it to a slow death if new shooters don't stick around. :(
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I have been shooting IPSC and IDPA for just over a year and have found that if you are outgoing and friendly, make small talk etc. , pretty much everyone will be friendly and helpful in return.

In fact, the guys shooting and ROing regularly, have been some of the nicest I have met in a long time.

The hardest part is overcoming the intimidation you feel as a new shooter, but do try. It will be well worth it!

Cheers!
 
relliott said:
You know Trit, you make a good point. I've had a bunch of folks over the years finally come clean and tell me they were afraid to approach me at first. Then, when they got to know me they realized they were in fact correct to be afraid. Of course, my complete lack of neck, long apish arms, simian brow ridge, sharpened teeth and cold, beady, emotionless shark-like eyes help enhance the effect.
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I'm still afraid of you! And I've known you for what, 15 or so years now?
 
HAHA! PH... It's been at least 15! And Robbie, you can look intense at times!

I'm thankful for the friends I've met through IPSC and many of them are the so-called elite and the not-so-elite from acroos Canada, the US and Europe.

Since I've started teaching BB courses, I've become good friends with many of the new folks coming in and many seem to be having a blast.

For you guys who don't want to continue because you don't like how some of the elite treat you or how they act.... please stick with it and don't give up!

Outside of IPSC we all put our pants on one leg at a time.
 
snooty

Believe me I've met all kinds of people shooting IPSC and ATA trap from down right friendly to aloof and rude, Guess what just like anything else you try in life from work, hobbies, to church. You are not goingto get along with everyone you meet!!! On the whole they are a good bunch in IPSC , where else do people give days of their time unpaid to help others have a good time (RO's CRO's Match Directors Volunteers etc etc ) and then are often are too pooped to shoot theirselves or their is no time.

supermag
 
tritium

Well Tritium what you say is true as a cop you could shoot well, but you leave out that you probabbly learned more shooting that Hi-power behind the barn, and the 22 rifles behind the cheese factory,and had a better basis to learn from than most police officers , beside you like guns unlike lots of other officers.

supermag
 
It's true!

I grew up around Supermag and he taught me a lot about guns, shooting and life in general! Heck, when I was a teenager, my first job was working for him on his farm!

Supermag and one of his friends got me started on trap shooting and the first competition I ever shot was in trap..with a bolt action Mossberg 12 guage!!!!!

He was a reference when I became a cop and is still a good friend (always will be too)!

I consider my friends to be life-long investments!
 
Tritium seems to have mellowed his opinion since he got married, is he happier? more content? or just conceeded all arguments as a lost cause.

By the way, I was at the Area 8 match, and while the shooter in question may be, at times, over opinionated and loud, the RO trying to enforce a ridiculous and illegal ( against the rules) start position will generally get him
( the RO) a certain amount of verbal umbridge from knowledgeable shooters.

The writer of the letter to front sight was obviously unaware of this and if anything this letter should show what kind of trouble comes up when improper
start positions ( or anything else improper) are put on a stage. This is worse when it is a major tournament where rules should be known and followed.

If it is not wriiten in the rule book it is just an opinion.
 
Hey Ipsik! Well, maybe I'm mellowing about some things. Besides, now that I'm married, I get told what to think on a daily basis!

In the situation at hand, I agree that the RO was in the wrong due to a lack of knowledge or because he was handcuffed by a poorly written walk-through.

Obviously, I know the shooter in question and he is someone who is a good friend, who I respect and who can be outspoken! I'm kinda appalled that the letter writer was so shocked... if it was so appalling, he should have spoken up at the time.

Most likely, I would have spoken up too!

There are definitely learning points about stage design, walk throughs and ROing to be learned from this.
 
Ipsik said:
By the way, I was at the Area 8 match, and while the shooter in question may be, at times, over opinionated and loud, the RO trying to enforce a ridiculous and illegal ( against the rules) start position will generally get him ( the RO) a certain amount of verbal umbridge from knowledgeable shooters.
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Even with a poorly worded or illegal gun start position there was no reason for a third party or even the shooter to start screaming. The shooter should have just asked for a CRO and let others shoot until the CRO arrives. Just because you know more than the RO does doesn't give you the right to yell at him or her. Calmly ask for the CRO.

On the same note the RO could have also asked for the CRO. Unload him and have the next shooter go. Keep the stage going while the CRO comes.


Fudd
 
Quigley said:
Guilty until proven innocent eh :rolleyes:
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No guilty because he ( and you know who it is ) did do what was written. Myself and some of the guys I travel with were at the this match and did not understand some of the comments said to us until a CRO told me what had happened.

There is nothing Sean or Quigley can do about this. The guy is a A$$ plain and simple for what he had done.
 
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