Glock or S&W M&P?
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saskgunowner101
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I don't think you'd go wrong either way. I own an M&P40, but I tried a shootin' buddies Glock, and it was accurate.
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Have you considered anything else? I thought the M&P was nice until I got my H&K 45. I think there is a stainless H&K 45 on the EE for $700. Probably about the same price when you consider no tax on it.
H&K is way better than either of the original 2 choices. But that is my opinion.
H&K is way better than either of the original 2 choices. But that is my opinion.
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I've owned both, I still have an M&P, flawless gun. As you handload you'll get longer life out of your 9/40 brass from the M&P and you can shoot lead 'til the cows come home without becoming paranoid. I find the M&P easier to shoot well, and I've put a fair number of rounds through both.
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CanuckShooter
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TONS of factory and aftermarket replacement parts for the Glock (you can literally build a complete pistol with the amount of aftermarket parts out there), and they are cheap, easy to find, and even easier to install. Can you even buy factory parts for the M&P yet?
You can customize the Glocks trigger pull with either an 8lb, 5lb, or 3.5lb connector as well as adding the NY1 or NY2 trigger springs for a different feel. With the M&P you are stuck with the factory trigger.
Warranty support for Glock is top notch. Warranty support for M&P? Ask GreenTips about that, his story isn't the only S&W warranty nightmare I've read. There are a number of complaints re: very poor warranty support here in Canada (go straight to the dealer you bought it from, don't even bother with S&W), people sending a gun back 2 or even 3 times and it's not fixed, etc, etc....
You can field strip a Glock in about 5 seconds and with NO tools. The M&P takes longer due to the fact that you need a tool to disengage a small part inside the slide, which, I'm sorry, is extremely LAME. That tool is stored in the rear grip of the gun (it twists in). Will the slot that holds the tool in (you push it in and twist it) wear out over time? Not sure, I guess we will find out. Just more moving parts to fail IMO.
Glocks have a stellar track record for taking abuse, and lasting forever. M&Ps are still new.
You can get cool 10/17 pinned magazine for Glocks for $40 here in Canada (there are even aftermarket magazines now for a great price from Dynamite Monkey which come with a free double mag pouch if you buy 2 mags). I don't know of anyone who sells pinned M&P mags if they are even available up here, and the normal ones are usually about $50 each.
Some places sell the M&P with those abominations some like to call safety devices (ie. internal lock, and magazine disconnect), so if you get it from WSS you'll have to ask if your gun will have them, and they won't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Glock, no such blatant stupidity.
Glock Tenifer finish has, again, a stellar rep for not rusting. It's fairly common to read about people having surface rust problems with their M&P's. Might have been resolved, who knows.
Etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah..... LOL
Just my 2 cents. All that said, the Glock may not fit you. If it doesn't... get a 1911
My favourite is the G17, and I mean really..... what bad things can you say about the G17? It's probably the handgun with the best durability/longevity record that has ever been made.
You can customize the Glocks trigger pull with either an 8lb, 5lb, or 3.5lb connector as well as adding the NY1 or NY2 trigger springs for a different feel. With the M&P you are stuck with the factory trigger.
Warranty support for Glock is top notch. Warranty support for M&P? Ask GreenTips about that, his story isn't the only S&W warranty nightmare I've read. There are a number of complaints re: very poor warranty support here in Canada (go straight to the dealer you bought it from, don't even bother with S&W), people sending a gun back 2 or even 3 times and it's not fixed, etc, etc....
You can field strip a Glock in about 5 seconds and with NO tools. The M&P takes longer due to the fact that you need a tool to disengage a small part inside the slide, which, I'm sorry, is extremely LAME. That tool is stored in the rear grip of the gun (it twists in). Will the slot that holds the tool in (you push it in and twist it) wear out over time? Not sure, I guess we will find out. Just more moving parts to fail IMO.
Glocks have a stellar track record for taking abuse, and lasting forever. M&Ps are still new.
You can get cool 10/17 pinned magazine for Glocks for $40 here in Canada (there are even aftermarket magazines now for a great price from Dynamite Monkey which come with a free double mag pouch if you buy 2 mags). I don't know of anyone who sells pinned M&P mags if they are even available up here, and the normal ones are usually about $50 each.
Some places sell the M&P with those abominations some like to call safety devices (ie. internal lock, and magazine disconnect), so if you get it from WSS you'll have to ask if your gun will have them, and they won't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Glock, no such blatant stupidity.
Glock Tenifer finish has, again, a stellar rep for not rusting. It's fairly common to read about people having surface rust problems with their M&P's. Might have been resolved, who knows.
Etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah..... LOL
Just my 2 cents. All that said, the Glock may not fit you. If it doesn't... get a 1911
My favourite is the G17, and I mean really..... what bad things can you say about the G17? It's probably the handgun with the best durability/longevity record that has ever been made.
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"Can you even buy factory parts for the M&P yet?"
I've never had a problem. I have spare factory recoil springs and a spare striker (these are wear parts) mags are available for $39
"With the M&P you are stuck with the factory trigger."
Which feels like a Glock with a 3 1/2lb connector, only not as mushy.
..................The M&P takes longer due to the fact that you need a tool to disengage a small part inside the slide, which, I'm sorry, is extremely LAME.................
Not true, ever used an M&P? Got a finger?
Glocks have a stellar track record for taking abuse, and lasting forever
Actually, according to least one rental range, Glocks are only slightly above average in reliability and actually on average not as reliable or durable as Sigs.
Warranty support for Glock is top notch
I didn't think they ever broke - at least according to all of the cool aid drinkers.
Some places sell the M&P with those abominations some like to call safety devices (ie. internal lock, and magazine disconnect), so if you get it from WSS you'll have to ask if your gun will have them, and they won't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Glock, no such blatant stupidity.
I've never seen an M&P with an internal lock in Canada, most (99%) have a magazine safety, no big deal, not an issue.
what bad things can you say about the G17? It's probably the handgun with the best durability/longevity record that has ever been made
I'm not knocking the Glock, in fact when they bring out the models that they are sitting on (the designs with interchangeable grip pieces) I might buy one. I resent the fact that they have these designs and have made a conscious decision not to release them until sales of the current models drop off (I feel thats slightly unethical). The Glock 17 is an old design, it IS reliable but please, it's only a pistol.
As with all things on the internet, take what you find with a grain of salt. There's nothing wrong with Glock pistols, but some stuff, like the absolute superiority of Glock pistols is repeated ad nauseum without verification. I've owned Glocks that broke (trigger return spring, sights) and ones that worked fine, like many, many other pistols.
I've never had a problem. I have spare factory recoil springs and a spare striker (these are wear parts) mags are available for $39
"With the M&P you are stuck with the factory trigger."
Which feels like a Glock with a 3 1/2lb connector, only not as mushy.
..................The M&P takes longer due to the fact that you need a tool to disengage a small part inside the slide, which, I'm sorry, is extremely LAME.................
Not true, ever used an M&P? Got a finger?
Glocks have a stellar track record for taking abuse, and lasting forever
Actually, according to least one rental range, Glocks are only slightly above average in reliability and actually on average not as reliable or durable as Sigs.
Warranty support for Glock is top notch
I didn't think they ever broke - at least according to all of the cool aid drinkers.
Some places sell the M&P with those abominations some like to call safety devices (ie. internal lock, and magazine disconnect), so if you get it from WSS you'll have to ask if your gun will have them, and they won't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Glock, no such blatant stupidity.
I've never seen an M&P with an internal lock in Canada, most (99%) have a magazine safety, no big deal, not an issue.
what bad things can you say about the G17? It's probably the handgun with the best durability/longevity record that has ever been made
I'm not knocking the Glock, in fact when they bring out the models that they are sitting on (the designs with interchangeable grip pieces) I might buy one. I resent the fact that they have these designs and have made a conscious decision not to release them until sales of the current models drop off (I feel thats slightly unethical). The Glock 17 is an old design, it IS reliable but please, it's only a pistol.
As with all things on the internet, take what you find with a grain of salt. There's nothing wrong with Glock pistols, but some stuff, like the absolute superiority of Glock pistols is repeated ad nauseum without verification. I've owned Glocks that broke (trigger return spring, sights) and ones that worked fine, like many, many other pistols.
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i hate my m&p 9 shots low and to the left.. so does about 2 outhers that i know of.. Recently bought a G17 but haven't had the chance to take it out to the range.... INMHO the M&P 9m was a waste of cash.. should have stuck with a winner from day 1...
I have a G17, it is a good gun, very reliable and the grip angle give me a lot of control, some may not like the grip angle. Now they are just a pistol; a tool, nothing magic. I have read tons of posts and topic about Glock and m&P, either made report breakage and function failure. I totally agree with ian in vic, the informations got from internet may not be accurate enough.
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CanuckShooter
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I wasn't sure about the availability of parts, as last time I looked over a year ago when I was considering picking up an M&P there wasn't much at all. But I can't imagine that the M&P has even a tenth the parts options that the Glock has.
After comparign them side by side I found the M&P's trigger pull to be the similar to the factory Glock 5.5# pull, with more mushiness. I agree that the Glock 3.5# pull is mushier than the Glock 5.5# pull, and found the M&P trigger to be somewhere in between. I also didn't like to feel of the hinged trigger, and how wide and squared the trigger was on the M&P as compared to the Glock.
I still standby what I said about field stripping the M&P. I have fingers, but I don't have finger nails which makes it a PITA. So, some people may not NEED the tool (or a tool for that matter), but it I did. Compared to field stripping the Glock, where all the controls necessary for disassembly are external, it not nearly as convenient or as fast.
I think the G17's reliability and durability record has been demonstrated well enough. I know a few people who have beat the living snot out of their Glocks for years with nary a problem. This is not to say that nothing ever goes wrong with Glocks. They are a man made item, and everything man made fails at some point, which is why I prefer keeping the number of parts in a gun down to a minimum. I had a Glock that jammed twice in 200 rounds (despite what the Glock worshippers say, Glocks CAN jam), which I believe was the fault of the 10 round mag I had, but still, it did jam. They aren't perfect, but no gun is. As far as SIG's being more reliable, I hope you're right, as I have heard nothing but complaints about SIG's warranty and customer service. How much does a brand new 226 or 228 cost?
The store by my place sells them with both the internal lock and the mag disconnect. Again, I standby what I said about both features. Useless, just more parts that can fail. I like to keep things as simple as possible.
I liked how the M&P felt. I also like how the Glock fits me. I'm no Kool-Aid drinker, and despite preferring the Glock for a number of reasons, the main thing that steered me away from getting an M&P was the way that S&W doesn't seem to give a crap about their guns as soon as they cross over the border. If they offered as good a warranty to us, as they do to Americans (eager to help, paid for shipping both ways), I would own one in .40S&W right now.
I don't currently own a Glock FWIW.
PS - For people like myself who cringe when they accidentally dry-fire their guns, doing it everytime a field strip is required is not an option. I would assume this can be done with a snap cap? If so then I retract my statement about the Glock's field strip being superior.
I am aware that the tool holds the backstraps on, but as I said before, who knows if the tool will start having a loose fit from constantly removing it. I am not saying it will, but again, more parts = greater chnace of problems/failure.
After comparign them side by side I found the M&P's trigger pull to be the similar to the factory Glock 5.5# pull, with more mushiness. I agree that the Glock 3.5# pull is mushier than the Glock 5.5# pull, and found the M&P trigger to be somewhere in between. I also didn't like to feel of the hinged trigger, and how wide and squared the trigger was on the M&P as compared to the Glock.
I still standby what I said about field stripping the M&P. I have fingers, but I don't have finger nails which makes it a PITA. So, some people may not NEED the tool (or a tool for that matter), but it I did. Compared to field stripping the Glock, where all the controls necessary for disassembly are external, it not nearly as convenient or as fast.
I think the G17's reliability and durability record has been demonstrated well enough. I know a few people who have beat the living snot out of their Glocks for years with nary a problem. This is not to say that nothing ever goes wrong with Glocks. They are a man made item, and everything man made fails at some point, which is why I prefer keeping the number of parts in a gun down to a minimum. I had a Glock that jammed twice in 200 rounds (despite what the Glock worshippers say, Glocks CAN jam), which I believe was the fault of the 10 round mag I had, but still, it did jam. They aren't perfect, but no gun is. As far as SIG's being more reliable, I hope you're right, as I have heard nothing but complaints about SIG's warranty and customer service. How much does a brand new 226 or 228 cost?
The store by my place sells them with both the internal lock and the mag disconnect. Again, I standby what I said about both features. Useless, just more parts that can fail. I like to keep things as simple as possible.
I liked how the M&P felt. I also like how the Glock fits me. I'm no Kool-Aid drinker, and despite preferring the Glock for a number of reasons, the main thing that steered me away from getting an M&P was the way that S&W doesn't seem to give a crap about their guns as soon as they cross over the border. If they offered as good a warranty to us, as they do to Americans (eager to help, paid for shipping both ways), I would own one in .40S&W right now.
I don't currently own a Glock FWIW.
PS - For people like myself who cringe when they accidentally dry-fire their guns, doing it everytime a field strip is required is not an option. I would assume this can be done with a snap cap? If so then I retract my statement about the Glock's field strip being superior.
I am aware that the tool holds the backstraps on, but as I said before, who knows if the tool will start having a loose fit from constantly removing it. I am not saying it will, but again, more parts = greater chnace of problems/failure.
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I am a glock fan....
but right now I would have a real problem shopping if I was a new shooter..... the glock fits my hand well, or I should say my hand fits the glock well now after shooting them for 14 years.
BUT for the average shooter the M&P does have the advantage of changable back straps.... so it can fit big and small.
if the glock fits you.... then buy it, if not then the M&P.
but right now I would have a real problem shopping if I was a new shooter..... the glock fits my hand well, or I should say my hand fits the glock well now after shooting them for 14 years.
BUT for the average shooter the M&P does have the advantage of changable back straps.... so it can fit big and small.
if the glock fits you.... then buy it, if not then the M&P.
Accidentally dry fire? That sounds dangerous! IMO,there is no issue with occasionally dry firing a striker fired pistol.
I agree that there would be a definite risk of wear, afterall it is plastic. I just can't see the need to be constantly removing it once you have decided which palmswell fits you best, other than if you let a friend try it out.
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