7mm STW
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I am torn between the ultra and stw
Why would you want an STW if you had an ultra? Same idea, more speed with the ultra.
The 7mmstw and 7mm RUM have different feed rail dimensions due to the different case diameters.The 7mm stw may not feed well in a 7MM RUM action.The 700 factory detachable magazine system works well with the 7mmstw,but not with the 7mmRUM.
I would hate to try and sell him a new vehicle.He would wear out several pairs of shoes kicking tires before he makes a decision.
he would have kicked the wheels right off the 7STW by now...:0)
to me the 7mm Rem Mag is an unsung hero of cartridges...kind of a Rodney Dangerfield of rifle cartridges...it never gets any respect....I can't forget the first one I brought home in 2000....a 700 ADL/FS, yup, a Brown Precision stocked 700 from the Remington factory...with a 3-9X Leupy on top...paid $480 for it....it shot 139 Hornadys at 3300+ and I was astounded at the lack of drop at 300 meters.....it was about 5" IIRC set 2-1/2" high at 100 meters.......and this was with the sun quickly setting and a couple guys at the next bench trying to fry the throat out of a push-feed Model 70 264 Mag......and the mosquitoes eating us up.......lots of days I think I need another 7mm Rem Mag just to silence the naysayers....
are you listening mackillan?...
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I have owned three 7mmremmags as well as three 7mmstw's,one 7mmimperial mag,and two 7mm-08s.My favorite is still the 7mmstw,and it is the cartridge that I have killed the most game with.It isn't a good choice for many people,but it has worked well for me.
Every year my I make up the same 7rem mag load for my best buddies father and zero it for him (250yd zero). The rifle is a box stock Remington 7Mag and the bullet is a 160 Nosler partition. It shoots 1.5" groups at 250 yards.
I drove to within 266yds of a few does and then the old boy slowly got out and commented at how far it was. I looked back at him from over the laser and said (lying) 1-6-0 the old boy sat down and a half second later sent a golden bb. The shot was a bit high (in the spine) and though the deer was down it was flopping around. After waiting a few seconds for the finisher shot I looked over to see the old boy was grey as a ghost and heading for the truck.....At 90 years old I too might need a nitrogen puffer when I get excited!
He passed me the 7mag and asked that I finish the job. I tried the trigger a few times, knelt down and assumed as natural a position as I could, then tried to time the poor does flailing head (with my natural weave) as it repeatedly came above the grass then fell from sight.
Bang flop!
As I handed the rifle back I was thinking how little the gun recoiled and how easy that made a difficult shot from a crappy field position. I would have made the same shot with my 338Ultra, but having to hold the rifle that lightly I would have been scope cut and beat up in the process.....I think that says a lot of good things about the 7mag/280.
The 7 mag gets the job done and well.....
Plain and simple its meat and potatoes!
Pass the gravy!
I drove to within 266yds of a few does and then the old boy slowly got out and commented at how far it was. I looked back at him from over the laser and said (lying) 1-6-0 the old boy sat down and a half second later sent a golden bb. The shot was a bit high (in the spine) and though the deer was down it was flopping around. After waiting a few seconds for the finisher shot I looked over to see the old boy was grey as a ghost and heading for the truck.....At 90 years old I too might need a nitrogen puffer when I get excited!
He passed me the 7mag and asked that I finish the job. I tried the trigger a few times, knelt down and assumed as natural a position as I could, then tried to time the poor does flailing head (with my natural weave) as it repeatedly came above the grass then fell from sight.
Bang flop!
As I handed the rifle back I was thinking how little the gun recoiled and how easy that made a difficult shot from a crappy field position. I would have made the same shot with my 338Ultra, but having to hold the rifle that lightly I would have been scope cut and beat up in the process.....I think that says a lot of good things about the 7mag/280.
The 7 mag gets the job done and well.....
Plain and simple its meat and potatoes!
Pass the gravy!
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It makes a couple of inches difference with a 7mmremmag.Seeing as how the deer was hit in the spine,a couple of inches difference could have resulted in either a clean miss,or a high lung shot.The largest difference however,is that the hunter may not have felt capable of consistent shot placement at 260 yards.The fact that the person lied about the distance gives me the impression that he wanted the shooter to take a shot that he might not have taken if he knew the actual distance.I don't agree with lying to give someone a false confidence.
Well...
First off a 260 yard shot from an awkward field position is not a simple shot for anybody.....The shooter was a good shot in his day, but being 90 years old and having a heart condition complicates matters somewhat. The shooting skills are there, but the old boy physically needed to be as calm as possible for the shot. I have known the old boy and his son for a bit over 25 years. I based my unconventional call both on that history and the field conditions.
I suspected he would shoot high because a small deer, standing in fairly tall grass, in an open field, looks so much further away than it actually is. The natural instinct is to lift the cross hairs....Especially given the tall grass.
I had a trajectory table taped to the side of his stock and he shoots enough to know the rifle impacts a bit high from 100-200 yards (the 250yd zero was his selection). At the shot I cautioned him to keep his cross hairs down on the body. Given the yardage corrections had been followed the bullet should have impacted 2-3" low of the intended POA...Exactly what I wanted.
After the deer was down, dressed, and in the truck the old boy confessed that despite my advice he couldn't help himself and raised the crosshairs.......I laughed and told him the actual distance. While we all had a good laugh he mentioned that it was all he could do not to put the hairs on the deer's back "and let her drop in".....
I appreciate you might not be comfortable with the ethics of the shot, but that shot marked the end of hunting for the old boy. Though we weren't sure at the time he and the rest of us could tell the physical exertion was becoming too much....We were right.
A nice shot, pictures, and a great memory with his son and a long time friend marked the end of his many years in the field...What more could a guy ask for?
Between the three of us we have never lost an animal. This was not going to be the first.
