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Hello everyone, for about a year ive been looking at AR-15's and have planned on buying one the whole time. I got my Rpal in the mail yesterday, and though ive been doing shopping/ research of my own, i was hoping i can get some input from more experienced AR owners. I was wondering what some good choices are for a first time AR, and how much i should be looking at spending. Im not cheap, but im not made of money either, just looking to get the most bang out of my buck (no pun intended). Ill be using it for target shooting by the way. Thank you for any advice.


P.S. Im sorry if this is the 900th time a thread like this has been posted but i couldnt find any that had what i was looking for.
 
Well i am gunna say that in my personal experience STAG ARMS has been the most bang for the buck. While i love owning LMT and noveske AR parts they tend to Break the bank! So i would check out Arms East or cheaper AR's with "actual flashhiders" on the EE! haha
 
To bad on the timing. Prices have gone up a couple hundred the last 2 months.
Right now you are into $1500-$1600 for an AR.
RRA, STAG, ARMALITE and BUSHMASTER

Epps has a Bushmaster A3 Target listed...
 
well budget wise you should be looking at spending around $1350-$1500 for a complete rifle....

that will buy you any plain jane 10.3", 11.5", 16" or 20" gun Used for the most part, the 14.5" 's seem to be going for a premium right now but are still do able in the price range.

once you add a decent quad rail add another $250-$400.... Decent Stock, another $150-$200 and a magpul miad... another $100

but i would try it plain jane first.... who knows the 6 position stock and a2 might work good for you.

also you would be looking for $150-$250 for a decent Back up iron sight (BUIS) which realistically should be used as your "main" sight at all times assisted with a reddot of some sort.... red dot will cost you approx $500-$600 and mount another $100-$200.

or if you want to go scope, cost of the scope plus cost of extra high rings, lots of variation here, but figure a 4-12x40mm leupold rifleman is $350 and decent rings $50

and then there is forward vertical grip, $65.... rail covers $20 per rail side.... 4 sides per "quad" rail..... then you got to think about illumination :) :) :) :)

get the picture yet :)
 
Westicle said:
well budget wise you should be looking at spending around $1350-$1500 for a complete rifle....

that will buy you any plain jane 10.3", 11.5", 16" or 20" gun Used for the most part, the 14.5" 's seem to be going for a premium right now but are still do able in the price range.

once you add a decent quad rail add another $250-$400.... Decent Stock, another $150-$200 and a magpul miad... another $100

but i would try it plain jane first.... who knows the 6 position stock and a2 might work good for you.

also you would be looking for $150-$250 for a decent Back up iron sight (BUIS) which realistically should be used as your "main" sight at all times assisted with a reddot of some sort.... red dot will cost you approx $500-$600 and mount another $100-$200.

or if you want to go scope, cost of the scope plus cost of extra high rings, lots of variation here, but figure a 4-12x40mm leupold rifleman is $350 and decent rings $50

and then there is forward vertical grip, $65.... rail covers $20 per rail side.... 4 sides per "quad" rail..... then you got to think about illumination :) :) :) :)

get the picture yet :)
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BIGGEST downer post ever! haha.. Even though this is the truth.. the poor guy will probably run away now!

...Then again.. if only i knew the costs B4...
 
Piece by piece your best idea is probably to buy the:
Stripped lower
parts kit
and then find an upper on the EE and this might save you some, since looking at AR prices they have gone up a bit since i last bought a full rifle.
 
If you don't buy LMT or KAC gucci parts, your #### will fall off! :eek:

Sorry, I could not resist. :evil:

All those rails and weapon lights won't help you become a better shooter. Take that money you saved and buy practice ammo. Take a clinic or 2 then come out to your local Provincial Rifle Association's Service Rifle matches. Great people, great cameraderie.... ;)

Welcome to the AR addiction. It's fun.

Barney
 
I am going through this process building my first AR and unless you have extreme patience and 50% more money for your project you may be dissapointed. I would strongly suggest buying a complete unit if you can find one. At least you will have something to shoot while you collect other parts. If you want to build your own, here is my experience:

Nobody has parts in stock in Canada. If they do, they will only have a third of what you need and you end up buying from three different places and your shipping goes up. A lot of the little "extras" are getting harder to import if you can find a US dealer that has the propper licenses to export. And even then it is only going to be in $100 shots. A real pain and more shipping. Brownells has been good so far.

The EE is a great resource but you have to be on the ball with money in hand. I missed an upper I needed because of indecision and ended up paying $200 more a month later for the same part. You also have to be checking it regularly...scratch that, you need to be checking it ALL the time or you will miss what you are after, good deals don't last more then a couple minutes most of the time. This will test your nerves as a new eager wannabe AR15 owner!

These guns are like crack, AFAIK. I am not even done the first and I am already planning for the second. Buying parts when the opportunities arise trying to beat the waiting game and price increases...

What ever way you go, good luck!
 
acrashb said:
the eBay covers are made with soft, flexible rubber - they're relatively likely to catch on something and just peel off... best to get a brand name.
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Catch on what? Most AR owners sit at the bench.

As to the original question. Buy your AR in pieces. The financial pain is a little more tolerable. Don't get your head set on one style of sights, stock, colour, optic, brand, etc etc. Experiment and try before you buy if you can. Really evaluate what you want out of the rifle and what parts/accessories will help in achieving that goal.

TDC
 
I'm a bit time AR-15 nut. I have 7 of them (and enough parts to build 5 more :) ) and reluctantly I'm going to trade one towards a Swiss Arms carbine. Back on topic to get into the AR game is tough these days - parts are non-existent and quality parts unobtanium. :(

Now there best bet is to find a complete carbine and go from there. Stag from Arms East or Sabre from Wolverine are my top choices now.

Save a complete build from stripped lower for your second AR ;)
 
TDC said:
Catch on what? Most AR owners sit at the bench.
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On your soft case, on your sleeve, etc. The rubber is grabby. And a lot of AR owners do action shooting with them, where you're relatively more likely to rub the handguard on something. eBay ladder rails == junk for most purposes. They even look bad.
 
thank you everyone for your input i really appreciate it. i had expected to spend around 1200 dollars but it sounds like ill need to hold off a little longer. as far as bells and whistles i dont want anything fancy off the bat. like i said this will be my first AR, and im more than happy with iron sights for a while. eventually a red dot, but thats not a major concern of mine right now. ive been looking at stag 15's, and if it means waiting a few more paydays im sure itll be worth it in the long run. I have one more question for anyone who can help. I also plan on getting a reloading rig in the future, any experience on rigs would also be appreciated. I dont even know where to begin. Thanks again everyone.
 
If I was you I would follow Paulinski's advise. Get a Stag from Walt at ArmsEast or a Sabre from John at Wolverine. Biggest bang for the buck these days. Check too with Mark at Questar to see if he has any nice Rock River offerings when you have saved the cash...

I built all mine from parts, but as others have stated its become really hard to find them these days.

For reloading, head over and ask in that forum and you are sure to get plenty of advice. I will say as a Lee (Loadmaster) man you can't go wrong with Dillon Precision.:D
 
My question is, what do you plan to do with it exackly? Target shooting is a big open ended sentence, can you be more specific? If you just want to plink at the range every so often at 100m or less then buy a carbine and for God's sake put $3,000.00 worth of extra kit on it. If you want to get into actual Service Rifle shooting then get a good 20" barrelled gun, with A2 adjustable sights, get a good sling and find someone or some club to get involved with that can teach you how to shoot. As for guns, Bushmaster has a really nice 20" heavy barrel gun, flat top with a detach carry handle for about $ 1,500.00. The Camoed up Remington (Bushmaster) flat tops are also a good deal and a fantastic shooter but you need some sort of optical sight. They go for $1,300.00 or so. There is even a slightly shorter version with a carbine stock on it, ik kinda looks neat as well.
It really depends on what your intention is, casual plinking and posing in your underwear or really shooting and having a ball.
That is me in the photo shooting sitting at 300m by the way. That is an old SGW heavy match target and it has won me several matches.
Scott
 
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