hey guys Iam new to reloading and wanted to know if anyone has any experiance with barnes tripple shock bullets, i have a 300 win mag that i use for deer and moose i want to use 130 grain for deer and 150 or 180 for moose one of the things i want to know is if there is a lot of meat lose with these bullets thanks.
barnes tripple shock
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MuleyMadness
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I would also recommend NOT going with the smaller bullets for deer. I have seen what the ultra high velocities of the smaller rounds do on occasion, and I would pick a 168 or 180 grain any day, which incidentally are going to be your most ballistically stable weights in a .300 WM anyways. They don't spoil any more meat, and you get dead deer, right now (as long as you shoot good).
Bronkobill,
For meat saving the TSX is about as good as it gets. Don't be surprised if they kill slower than you are used to, for the same reason. Less tissue damage works both ways. Oh, and watch whats behind your target, I don't know how many deer it would take to stop one.
I'd just pick a single bullet weight between 168-180 and stick with that. Life is simple if you keep it simple.
For meat saving the TSX is about as good as it gets. Don't be surprised if they kill slower than you are used to, for the same reason. Less tissue damage works both ways. Oh, and watch whats behind your target, I don't know how many deer it would take to stop one.
I'd just pick a single bullet weight between 168-180 and stick with that. Life is simple if you keep it simple.
Barnes? Barnes who?...... and this triple shock thing is that like this?\/
all joking aside the search feature works sometimes and the TSX is sweet but have fun finding them backorder everywhere I try and I'm not one for waiting.
all joking aside the search feature works sometimes and the TSX is sweet but have fun finding them backorder everywhere I try and I'm not one for waiting.
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Mighty Peace
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As mentioned, shoot 180gr for everything in your 300WM unless you are looking for some fun at the range. 180gr is all I ever used in my 300WM.
Maybe comprimize a bit and go withthe 168gr TSX's or TTSX's and you should be set to go.
RL-22 is a great powder for the 300WM or maybe the new Winchester Supreme 780 powder.
Maybe comprimize a bit and go withthe 168gr TSX's or TTSX's and you should be set to go.
RL-22 is a great powder for the 300WM or maybe the new Winchester Supreme 780 powder.
I have used the 168gr TSX to shoot at least 10 deer, a big moose and 7 African animals ranging from a 70lb reedbuck to a 700lb kudu. All from a 300 winny at 3200 fps muzzle velocity. I also used re22 75 grs if my memory serves.
I would just shoot the 168 at everything, it's an awesome combo.
I would just shoot the 168 at everything, it's an awesome combo.
I shoot 180 Tsx's in my 300WM and they work great. Don't hesitate to use them. I have not tried the lighter ones yet in that rifle. The 150's group very well out of one of my 308's. You would be fine using either the 150 or 180's, see what shoots best out of you rifle.
rommelrommel
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168 TTSX out fo a 308 did massive damage to a whitetail on my trip this year, but only on the second shot that hit bone. First shot took out the lungs, but damn thing didn't know it was dead, and this was about 30 min to dusk... I got a second shot at it still moving after about 25 min of tracking, was getting dark so I figured I better drop it. Hit it right, but was quartering away and pretty much destroyed a front quarter... I'll be using TSX/TTSX for a long time after seeing what it does to bone.
What did it do to the bone? Destroy it, turn it into powder? That is exactly what I want a bullet to do to bone when I am breaking down an animal. It sounds more like shot placement than a problem with the TSX. with the smaller animals I have shot with the 300, I was glad I used a TSX vs a more frangible bullet because it does less damage, not more than say a ballistic tip. It doesn't matter what bullet you use if you hit meat with a high velocity round, TSX's are deep divers, major penetrators so they are designed to exit regardless of angle or opposition on animals the size of deer.
After awhile that gets tireing. After 50 animals I moved back to softer bullets.
rommelrommel
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It shattered about 6 inches of the the bone in the shoulder into about bits, maybe an average of 1/8x1/8x1/8". Meat damage actually wasn't that bad, along wound channel it was but it didn't shred the whole shoulder by any means. Bullet went straight through, probably would have killed another deer on the other side.
Loaded hot for a 308, were actually Elk hunting but Elk didn't show up, shot the whitetail instead. These were TTSX's and it looked like they expanded pretty well.
Loaded hot for a 308, were actually Elk hunting but Elk didn't show up, shot the whitetail instead. These were TTSX's and it looked like they expanded pretty well.
It seems to me you were shooting at a bad angle at a wounded deer trying to anchor it and that is exactly what happenned. I don't shoot them when I am hunting just deer from a moderate round, but like them at high velocity when some penetration is required. For several years I carried the 300 winny on all my mixed hunts and to Africa but a little kimber 308 loaded with 150 gr btips when I was hunting just whitetails. My rule of thumb generally is over 3000 fps and bigger than a deer use premium bullets, under 3000 and deer only no need. But what you are describing isn't the bullets fault.
rommelrommel
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I don't blame the bullet at all, it sure as hell did its job. I have total faith in the TSX/TTSX now for anything... 100% weight retention usually, expanded well even at high velocity against a soft target, and def finished my track.
Much happier that I had the TTSX over a frangible bullet as it may have not stopped that deer right there. In the country we were in that deer would have been some other predators food by morning.
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The way I read what rommelrommel wrote "I'll be using TSX/TTSX for a long time", would seem to indicate, at least to me, that he has faith in what the bullet is capable of, and has no plans to abandon its use. He didn't say that he wouldn't be using them again. To me it sounded like he was impressed with the performance, ie, penetration even when encountering bone.
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I believe the TSX is a good bullet choice, particularly when velocities break 3000 fps, or when maximum penetration of the target is sought with an expanding bullet. The TSX is interesting in that the hollow cavity of the bullet is the same length within caliber, regardless of bullet weight, and weight is gained by lengthening the solid shank of the bullet. Lead core bullets get heavier with a longer expanding section, so normally a heavier bullet will expand to a larger diameter than a lighter bullet of similar construction. But this is not the case with the TSX, where the light bullet performs in a similar fashion to the heavier one. The higher velocity of the lighter bullet at impact at any given range makes up for the momentum of the heavier bullet at lower velocity, resulting in similar penetration. The frontal area of the expanded bullet has a greater impact on wound volume than does velocity, so there is little difference in wound volume between the heavy and the light for caliber TSX. I prefer the heavier bullets for big animals though, as the lower impact velocity is less likely to break off petals. There are those who say that this is a non-issue, but I've shot enough to know that small changes in the frontal area of an expanded bullet greatly effect the resulting wound cavity.
