.308 hmmm,
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I didn't vote, but I do like my 308. Many of the moose I've seen in the wild were at less than 250 yards and I suspect I wouldn't have had much problem cutting that distance down. I'm hoping some year I can get out and hunt moose. If I can get the job done with a light 308 rifle, all the better. Depending on the bullet, it can certainly hit bone on a deer and pass out the other side. Why wouldn't that be sufficient penetration on a moose?
You should look into the exploding sport of long range hunting. The number one choice of cartridge and caliber might surprise you. No I'm not saying it is a 308 or even a .30 cal and it doesn't have Ultra in the name either.
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I have taken moose with a .270 at 300+ yards,so to take a moose at 400 yards a .308 with a well placed shot is definitely doable. It's not ideal, but doable.
I guess it all depends where you grow up and what oppertunities present them selves, living in Central-Northern Ontario the majority of my life, my home sted farm offers 100-200 yard shots are about as far as you can see in the woods, and the fields pail in comparison to your clear cuts out west, forestry in the area i grew up is select cutting and small isolated clears, so range is not an issue.
Than differer again to the Sask flats and winds, or the Labrador Mountains or on the east coast where 50 feet is a normal shot in thick cover.
Opinions vary but not as much as hunting conditions province to province, I do have some long range shooting areas, that I do hunt on our farm, and I do agree range matters.
A 308 becides the caliber restictions for hunting in Ontario fits pretty good, I would never feel under gunned with one, that being said I was priveledged enough to buy firearms in many calibers for specific game with bullets that I feel comfortable with,for different provinces and ranges, I am lucky to have the choices.
As you are with the firearms you use, I respect the fact you have planned for your hunts, and have the capability to do this. To me that is well being smart! as many fortunate guys are, to own 6.5s 270s, 7ms, 308s, 300s, 338s375s ! to do what ever is asked.
Cheers
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The most common cartridge that these people are using is the 224TTH (224X243 Win) or 22-6mm with a fast 1-8" barrel twist rate shooting high BC 75 -80gr bullets @ app 3400 - 3500fps but they are shooting tiny little deer not moose...
I'm amazed at those here that are promoting this kind of shooting at big game maybe in ideal conditions you can do it but I have been at the range to many times watching the average big game hunter put 10 shots into a 6" - 10" circle @ 100 yards then walk away saying "good enough"...
Those are the guys that will read threads like this and figure that they'll also try long range shots resulting in a wounded animal.
I'm amazed at those here that are promoting this kind of shooting at big game maybe in ideal conditions you can do it but I have been at the range to many times watching the average big game hunter put 10 shots into a 6" - 10" circle @ 100 yards then walk away saying "good enough"...
Those are the guys that will read threads like this and figure that they'll also try long range shots resulting in a wounded animal.
Well, seeing that POA is always a straight line and Bullet flight is always an arc. (unless your shooting straight up or down) Then POI is on POA only twice in that arc. I guess there are only 2 distances that SH would shoot at, or pulling the trigger would not be overly ethical. Just the way I read it.
You might want to read it again and you'll realize how foolish your comment is. I'll simplify things for you. If your crosshairs aren't on hair and your bullet isn't going to end up where your crosshairs are, you shouldn't pull the trigger. With ballistic reticle and turret scopes there is a whole range of distances you can shoot at with crosshairs on hair out of the same gun with the same scope...wow!
Oh well, one more for the list......
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- Dah Soo,ON
Dont make me come back there children...
Never heard this caliber mentioned but then I was looking for something legal for hunting any where in NA. None from the long range gun makers that I've dealt with mentioned that caliber or many exotics for that matter, sure some use the 408 Che-Tac as a parent case for some of their creations but just about all of them produce systems with a "off the rack" cartridge and it surprised me that so many of them used the same one.
I'm thinking a challenge is needed here...
Next time you guys that think you can successful pull off these long range in the field shots every time are out and I don't mean waiting for a perfect day or conditions, set a target up measure out your 400 yards or what ever distance you want and shoot away...
When I'm saying hunting scenario try and get your adrenalin going or after you set up the target hike back to were you are shooting from lean on a log or a tree for your rest like you would in the bush...
Try shooting in a hunting type scenario shoot down hill or up hill or across a river or canyon then post pictures of those awesome kill zone shots you were so proud of saying you could make...
I'm not expecting to see many pictures...
Next time you guys that think you can successful pull off these long range in the field shots every time are out and I don't mean waiting for a perfect day or conditions, set a target up measure out your 400 yards or what ever distance you want and shoot away...
When I'm saying hunting scenario try and get your adrenalin going or after you set up the target hike back to were you are shooting from lean on a log or a tree for your rest like you would in the bush...
Try shooting in a hunting type scenario shoot down hill or up hill or across a river or canyon then post pictures of those awesome kill zone shots you were so proud of saying you could make...
I'm not expecting to see many pictures...
I'm thinking a challenge is needed here...
Next time you guys that think you can successful pull off these long range in the field shots every time are out and I don't mean waiting for a perfect day or conditions, set a target up measure out your 400 yards or what ever distance you want and shoot away...
When I'm saying hunting scenario try and get your adrenalin going or after you set up the target hike back to were you are shooting from lean on a log or a tree for your rest like you would in the bush...
Try shooting in a hunting type scenario shoot down hill or up hill or across a river or canyon then post pictures of those awesome kill zone shots you were so proud of saying you could make...
I'm not expecting to see many pictures...
I do that all the time...it's the only way to become a proficient long-range hunter. While what you are suggesting might seem revolutionary to you, I know lots of guys that routinely do it. As much as you'd like to believe it, you aren't the only one on this site that is capable of ethical long-range hunting. I prefer to have my gimmicky bipod attached to my gun for my long-range practice because it's also attached to my gun when hunting but other than that, it's just another Saturday afternoon for me and my buds!
mike shickele
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I'm thinking a challenge is needed here...
Next time you guys that think you can successful pull off these long range in the field shots every time are out and I don't mean waiting for a perfect day or conditions, set a target up measure out your 400 yards or what ever distance you want and shoot away...
When I'm saying hunting scenario try and get your adrenalin going or after you set up the target hike back to were you are shooting from lean on a log or a tree for your rest like you would in the bush...
Try shooting in a hunting type scenario shoot down hill or up hill or across a river or canyon then post pictures of those awesome kill zone shots you were so proud of saying you could make...
I'm not expecting to see many pictures...
That's the reason why I said 300 yards, it's not that the 308, 30-06, 300mag don't have enough energy to drive a bullet clear through an animal at 400 yards, but most cartridges don't have a point-blank range of 400 yards. Point blank range is generally described as no more than 3 inches high or low, if one stretches these numbers, their only fooling themselves. Most hunters have enough difficulty when all they have to do is hold dead on, let alone applying Kentucky windage to the equation. I have practiced a fair bit at actual hunting distances, from hunting positions, and I can say quite honestly that unless conditions are perfect, I shouldn't take a shot over 300 yards; and I do do a lot of field position practice. Now, if others feel as though they ca shoot further, who am I to judge, but if you haven't practiced, and shown that your proficient at that range, and under those conditions, you may be fooling yourself.
Mike
Why on earth would anyone that is even remotely considering long-range shooting have to worry about Kentucky windage. With the huge array of affordable ballistic reticle and turret scopes out there Kentucky windage should be a thing of the past, at least if you are considering plus 300 yard shots.
seems like defensive posturing there cookie
some of us don't get excited when we shoot, for me anyways its quite the opposite. as soon as I get an animal in the crosshairs everything gets quiet, slow and very very smooth and steady. not everyone gets buck fever or reacts to stressful situations the same way.
maybe you're one of those folks that goes into an epileptic fit when they see a deer ? I don't shoot game past 300yrds. if I do my job, and make a propper stalk, I shouldn't have to. but you don't see me berating those that can.
Exactly...
Use the LRF, twist the dials, and shoot.
You just need to know where your bullet is going to be at 400 yards....And practice at it.
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- Back in the Peace Country
I'm thinking a challenge is needed here...
Next time you guys that think you can successful pull off these long range in the field shots every time are out and I don't mean waiting for a perfect day or conditions, set a target up measure out your 400 yards or what ever distance you want and shoot away...
When I'm saying hunting scenario try and get your adrenalin going or after you set up the target hike back to were you are shooting from lean on a log or a tree for your rest like you would in the bush...
Try shooting in a hunting type scenario shoot down hill or up hill or across a river or canyon then post pictures of those awesome kill zone shots you were so proud of saying you could make...
I'm not expecting to see many pictures...
This has become a matter of "I'm not proficient at it, so no one else could be"
When you are speaking of hunting scenarios and conditions etc etc etc, why would you pick the worse scenario? Adrenalin, uphill, downhill,..
All shots whether they are at 50 yrds or 400 yrds require thought,...
Conditions obviously dictate what shot you can take.
I don't think suggesting that because it's difficult to make a 400 yrd shot in a tornado has much to do with the chat we're having...
Don't assume so much. Many people use shooting sticks and pods etc etc.
I don't think anyone said that these shots can be taken no matter the conditions. All shots, no matter the calibre are dictated by the conditions under which they would be taken.
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- Back in the Peace Country
Because this is what you see at you range, don't assume it's at every range.
If you see guys satisfied with such a poor target at your range, you should mention your concerns to them, as you have here.
In addition, from what has been posted on this thread, I don't think anyone has suggested that those who can only shoot a 10 inch group at 100 yrds should be attempting a 400 yrd shot, in fact, quite the opposite.
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I'm thinking a challenge is needed here...
Next time you guys that think you can successful pull off these long range in the field shots every time are out and I don't mean waiting for a perfect day or conditions, set a target up measure out your 400 yards or what ever distance you want and shoot away...
When I'm saying hunting scenario try and get your adrenalin going or after you set up the target hike back to were you are shooting from lean on a log or a tree for your rest like you would in the bush...
Try shooting in a hunting type scenario shoot down hill or up hill or across a river or canyon then post pictures of those awesome kill zone shots you were so proud of saying you could make...
I'm not expecting to see many pictures...
I'll do ya one better. My range is in my backyard, I've shot over 60 rounds out of a new gun this morning on the range (ok so it is my patio deck). Changing the targets right now requires snowshoes and I shoot out to 400 yards. This summer I'll complete my range out to 800 yards, because everyone in the game knows that long range starts at 400 yards. I shoot hundreds of rounds a month year round. Yes I take my shooting serious and no I'm not blowing smoke when I say that I believe I can make a particular shot. Long range shooting is cool to talk about but even cooler to do! Nothing compares with quoting numbers generated from a chrono at those long ranges to really see what a bullet is doing and not what the label on the box says. You should try it.
