.308 hmmm,

[cdn1canhunt]

Ohh What the hell I think this year i bring my .30-30 on a moose hunt and start shooting at 200yrs and work my way to 250..300..350 etc once the moose stop falling on the spot that can be its new optimum range.

 

[8ball]

I have witnessed moose being harvested at 800 yards with a .308 Winchester, using 180 gr. Silvertips. Others are available to vouch for this. A long shot for sure (not by me!), but by a very capable, confident shooter, who uses the same gun on everything. At the end of the day, moose are not "die hard" critters like Elk, so it all depends on your competence.

Patrick

 

[sheephunter]

Ohh What the hell I think this year i bring my .30-30 on a moose hunt and start shooting at 200yrs and work my way to 250..300..350 etc once the moose stop falling on the spot that can be its new optimum range.

I usually find that once people get to the point of reductum ad absurdum they really don't know what they are talking about. No one was talking a 30/30 here, we were talking a .308 that delivers nearly 1,200 foot pounds of energy at 400 yards with the projectile still travelling 1,800fps. I ask once again, with all your experience with moose and long range ballistics, what do you feel is the minimum amount of energy and velocity required to consistently kill a moose?????

 

[Gatehouse]

Some of us think the 400 yard impact velocitys as delivered by a 308Win could result in questionable bullet performance on large moose. Considering the 30 cal bullets are designed to hold together under magnum velocities we think a higher impact velocity would produce a better margin of error.

Then again the operative word is think. -

I understand that, but I do have to wonder where the theory comes from? There are bullets to achieve virtually any type of performance we want out there.

Unless we think that a 170gr bullet launched form a 30-30 will not kill a moose at 100 yards- Because the .308 with 165gr bulet at 400 yards is about a 30-30 at 100 yards.

 

[sheephunter]

Ya, I'd have to question that one as well.....I haven't run the numbers through the ballistic calculator but we have to be talking a hold over 20+ feet and a bullet likely only capable of delivering 500 or so foot pounds of energy. I guess stranger things have happened but I'd stop way short of calling that an ethical shot unless the guy had some super scope capable of that holdover.

 

[cdn1canhunt]

I usually find that once people get to the point of reductum ad absurdum they really don't know what they are talking about. No one was talking a 30/30 here, we were talking a .308 that delivers nearly 1,200 foot pounds of energy at 400 yards with the projectile still travelling 1,800fps. I ask once again, with all your experience with moose and long range ballistics, what do you feel is the minimum amount of energy and velocity required to consistently kill a moose?????

once again it is not about me it is about the moose. Why shoot him with 1,200 foot lbs of energy with a .308 if you can hit him with 1,525foot pounds with a 300win mag. or move 100yrds closer and hit him with 1,550 foot pounds with your fricken .308
CDN1

 

[sheephunter]

once again it is not about me it is about the moose. Why shoot him with 1,200 foot lbs of energy with a .308 if you can hit him with 1,525foot pounds with a 300win mag. or move 100yrds closer and hit him with 1,550 foot pounds with your fricken .308
CDN1

It still comes down to how much energy is enough. As hunters, we have to make that decision everyday otherwise there would only be one cartridge available to hunters. So are you saying 1,525 pounds of energy is the minimum required to consistenly kill a moose? This is a pretty simple question and you've set yourself up as the expert so I want to know. Perhaps there is something to be learned here. What is the break point between enough and not enough energy and velocity to kill a moose?

 

[cdn1canhunt]

No but that seems to be a bit of an undeterminable answer "how much is enough?" is it bull,cow or calf? is it quatering to, away etc.. "does it really matter?" If the .308 can do the job at 400yrds.

as you have said why do they offer larger calibers than the .308.

mhop because some will do it better.

 

[Camp Cook]

Ft lbs of energy isn't the issue shot placement is...

In hunting/field conditions most can't place the shot consistantly enough @ 300 yards let alone 400 yards no matter the energy levels to risk taking the shot and you guys are continuing to say that you can do it every time which tells me that you haven't done it very much or your lying to yourselves.

 

[sealhunter]

Ohh What the hell I think this year i bring my .30-30 on a moose hunt and start shooting at 200yrs and work my way to 250..300..350 etc once the moose stop falling on the spot that can be its new optimum range.

I'll teach you how to use a 30/30 for moose hunting if you like. I have taken several with mine.

Uh, oh... I better stop using it...it doesn't meet your cut off

 

[sheephunter]

Ft lbs of energy isn't the issue shot placement is...

In hunting/field conditions most can't place the shot consistantly enough @ 300 yards let alone 400 yards no matter the energy levels to risk taking the shot and you guys are continuing to say that you can do it every time which tells me that you haven't done it very much or your lying to yourselves.

Ultimately it still comes down to energy and penetration...I know I'll never be the shooter you are camp but with my gimicky bipod and ballistic reticle scope under suitable conditions, I'm certain I can make a 400 yard shot so no, I'm not lying and yes, I have done it enough. Likely not as much as you but enough.....

 

[cdn1canhunt]

Ft lbs of energy isn't the issue shot placement is...

In hunting/field conditions most can't place the shot consistantly enough @ 300 yards let alone 400 yards no matter the energy levels to risk taking the shot and you guys are continuing to say that you can do it every time which tells me that you haven't done it very much or your lying to yourselves.

yeah what he said +1 CC

My issue is not with the .308 or its abilities or the shooters abilities. It is why
do we need to take the 400yrd shot and risk a lesser hit if we can be patient get closer and make it an good hit with more than enough energy and accuracy.

 

[sheephunter]

No but that seems to be a bit of an undeterminable answer "how much is enough?" is it bull,cow or calf? is it quatering to, away etc.. "does it really matter?" If the .308 can do the job at 400yrds.

as you have said why do they offer larger calibers than the .308.

mhop because some will do it better.

And they make loads of calibres smaller so what's your point???? So far I've been told I'm not a real hunter, my ethics have been questioned, my shooting ability has been questioned yet you've done nothing but blather on about nothing. Please tell me, in your opinion how much energy and velocity are required to kill a 1,000 pound moose standing broadside with no obstruction between you and it? So is a .30-06 enough? A .338 Federal? A .30TC? There are loads of cartridges between the .308 and .300, where is that magic cartridge line for the 400 yard shot on a moose? How much energy and velocity are required????

 

[Camp Cook]

Quit being condicending, I have never come onto this board and said I was a better shot than you or anyone else.

 

[sheephunter]

yeah what he said +1 CC

My issue is not with the .308 or its abilities or the shooters abilities. It is why
do we need to take the 400yrd shot and risk a lesser hit if we can be patient get closer and make it an good hit with more than enough energy and accuracy.

Because some of us enjoy shooting at those ranges....because sometimes you can't get closer....because some of us pratice enough and understand conditions enough to know when there is not risk of a lesser hit. How about a really simple question....have you ever even hunted moose? Your opinion of them being these moronic animals that you can poke in the eye with a stick certainly hasn't been my general experience.....

 

[sheephunter]

Quit being condicending, I have never come onto this board and said I was a better shot than you or anyone else.

Huh? You were the one going on earlier about long range shooting with your super uber magnum and you were the one issuing the long-range shooting challange. And BTW, I was being sarcastic....not condescending....

 

[sealhunter]

In hunting/field conditions most can't place the shot consistantly enough @ 300 yards let alone 400 yards no matter the energy levels to risk taking the shot and you guys are continuing to say that you can do it every time which tells me that you haven't done it very much or your lying to yourselves.

I don't remember saying anything about every time I shoot. Your comment insinuates that whomever never misses. I have hit shots that weren't exactly where I wanted them. Done it at 50 yrds and at 400 yrds.

I am very selective over the shots I choose, and when I take the long range shot, I have thought about the situation, the variables and the probability of me making the shot.

Every day, every hunt, doesn't lend itself to being a 400 yrd or 300 yrd shot.
but when the day and situation has presented itself, I am confident in my ability.

 

[sealhunter]

why do we need to take the 400yrd shot and risk a lesser hit if we can be patient get closer and make it an good hit with more than enough energy and accuracy.

You (not we) don't have to take any shot you feel you can't be accurate with or provide enough energy with...

What is a lesser hit exactly?

If a good hit is on the vitals and kills the animal, then how is that a lesser hit?

 

[Omega]

I love the rush of long range hunting. All the work that goes into being competent and confident to shoot way out there. This year if it all comes together I'll kill at 700 or 800 yards. when you shoot a lot as everyone here claims to then those 200 yard chip shots are less than challenging, stretch the distances and things get exciting again.
Some don't like it and that is fine. It is not a sport for everyone, many just aren't good enough and another big percentage haven't shot enough in their life to compare with the amount of shooting this takes every year but for those who do their work and they know who they are, they know exactly what I'm talking about - the pure rush!!

 

[cdn1canhunt]

And they make loads of calibres smaller so what's your point???? So far I've been told I'm not a real hunter, my ethics have been questioned, my shooting ability has been questioned yet you've done nothing but blather on about nothing. Please tell me, in your opinion how much energy and velocity are required to kill a 1,000 pound moose standing broadside with no obstruction between you and it? So is a .30-06 enough? A .338 Federal? A .30TC? There are loads of cartridges between the .308 and .300, where is that magic cartridge line for the 400 yard shot on a moose? How much energy and velocity are required????

I can't answer your question I am not the moose.

SH if you could kill a moose with a 300win mag a 800yrds would you?
shouldn't good ethics out weigh your ability?

SH you seem to be a good hunter I am not questioning your ability or here to debate velocity and energy.
If you were my best bud and shot the moose at 400yrds DRT, I'd shake your hand, say hell of a shot but "holys--t man that is a long way for a .308 couldn't you get closer."
CDN1 OUT!!!