Anyone know who has PTRDs for sale?

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I know Collector's Source has at least one left, but the price is... shall we say... unrealistic compared to what these sold for just a few months back at retail.

Anyone know who else has PTRDs in stock?

Or for that matter, any other WW2 ATRs at reasonable prices?
 
*newbie question alert*: I've never taken the time to clarify this, and you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject. How are AT-rifles regulated, non-restricted or something? And how is the ammunition regulated, do we have a large-caliber maximum? I'd love to own an ATR one day, didn't think they sold them up here though... Glad you started this thread :)! I've always been in love with the 20mm Lahti, never thought i could own one!
 
Export of empty cases from the US is controlled. Cdn. import licence must be submitted to licenced US exporter who would apply to US State Department for a US export licence.
The PTRS/PTRD fire 14.5mm ammunition. This is the same round used in heavy machineguns. Problems are: most current production uses projectiles that would make it prohibited ammunition, and, none of it is approved as importable ammunition for resale. Original AT ammunition used an inert AP projectile, so that load would not be outright prohibited.
 
Roll your own when you can't buy it or import it!

Make your own Brass and Bullet - Lathe, Mill, Drill.

It's just that easy.
 
WW2 ATR and realistic prices do not usually belong in the same sentence. When there was a large import of the PTRDs in the country a few years ago, they were as low as $1250. But those days are gone.

Another option is the Lahti. Collectors source has deactivated ones for about $2-1/2K. I know of one guy who is repairing his (with the blessing of the CFC) to fire again. If you are going to go big, then you might as well go big.

For me, the Boys rifle (converted to 50 BMG)fits the bill perfectly. Ammo is relatively cheap and plentiful (compared to .55 cal, 14.5 cal, or 20mm), and yet the rifle has sleek lines and reeks of history.

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I know nothing of these rifles, *they do have one buried in the basement of the Citadel, seen it once on display* but I recall reading somewhere about someone who "re-watted" one with some bucksheye(?) time at a machine shop where he cnc milled the barrel extension and somehow got it permanently secured at the leade and rechambered it (might have been the Finnish site 'Gunwriters on the web') brass was also an issue over there so I think someone also cnc machined this gentleman some cartridges, the thing is they will be straight down not like they are supposed to be - I wonder how this changes the breech pressure? :confused: -having a functional 20mm Lahti or the other equivalent would be a dream come true for many of us that's for sure! :)

- one story I heard about the 20mm guns in Finnish use is that they used to 'snipe' at low flying Russian aircraft with them, allegedly they took the chance of removing the disconnector at times to fire a burst, also allegedly, this would result in the receiver coming apart, also heard the whole pistol grip goes back and forth on firing, can anyone verify this (who am I kidding, Stencollector?) :wave:
 
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i believe Del-Selin''s in Vernon BC has a PTRS hanging from the rafter's... dont quote me on the price but i think its under $1500? might want to call them if your serious.

250-545-6413
open tuesday to saturday 9am-5pm
 
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I was under the impression that all the cool things hanging on the ceiling (M2 .50, the PTRS etc.) are Del's personal property, and on display only, and that you can only buy them if you buy the whole store from him.
 
tiriaq said:
Export of empty cases from the US is controlled. Cdn. import licence must be submitted to licenced US exporter who would apply to US State Department for a US export licence.
The PTRS/PTRD fire 14.5mm ammunition. This is the same round used in heavy machineguns. Problems are: most current production uses projectiles that would make it prohibited ammunition, and, none of it is approved as importable ammunition for resale. Original AT ammunition used an inert AP projectile, so that load would not be outright prohibited.
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U.S. State Department will not allow export of 14.5 cases, AKA "Destructive Device". Not only that, but reloadable 14.5 cases dont exactly grow on trees in US. Cheapest i've seen is $20-30USD per case.
 
Ammo is definitely a problem with the big guys.
I still have yet to fire my PTRD (which, incidentally, I got from Stencollector a few years back. In fact it was Sten that introduced me to this site.)
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(The round in the photo, on the cleaning rods, is a dummy round from my cartridge collection)
Michael J, I see you are from Langley. Give me a PM, and I'll let you fondle my PTRD some time.
 
paulz said:
I was under the impression that all the cool things hanging on the ceiling (M2 .50, the PTRS etc.) are Del's personal property, and on display only, and that you can only buy them if you buy the whole store from him.
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That makes it a rather expensive rifle! I suppose it's worth asking about though.
 
Well, I'm willing to pay a fair price, but the examples at CS have sat for almost 2 years at that price and they haven't sold any.

Therefore: overpriced.

Pretty easy to deduce!

If anyone has a PTRD or other ww2 ATR to sell, or knows where one is definitely (not speculatovely) for sale, pm me and we'll talk turkey. Anyone who's done business with me knows I'm no penny-pincher but CS isn't exactly known for its fair pricing of anything.
 
Claven2 said:
Well, I'm willing to pay a fair price, but the examples at CS have sat for almost 2 years at that price and they haven't sold any.

Therefore: overpriced.

Pretty easy to deduce!

If anyone has a PTRD or other ww2 ATR to sell, or knows where one is definitely (not speculatovely) for sale, pm me and we'll talk turkey. Anyone who's done business with me knows I'm no penny-pincher but CS isn't exactly known for its fair pricing of anything.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8epkCBgFiKs :D
 
tootall said:
Michael J, I see you are from Langley. Give me a PM, and I'll let you fondle my PTRD some time.
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I'll hold you to that one day ;).

Just a question, i am not sure how rounds are made "dummy", but is it possible to extract the possibly re-usable brass, and give it a new primer + lead?
 
Michael J said:
I'll hold you to that one day ;).

Just a question, i am not sure how rounds are made "dummy", but is it possible to extract the possibly re-usable brass, and give it a new primer + lead?
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Hold that thought for a moment. Ever wonder about how in Cuba they keep all those old cars running from the 1940's and 1950's ? They make the parts themselves. No help from the USA - embargo. They even put new asbestos linings on brake shoes in backyard operations. They created their own economy out of need, not like us where we go to Napa and take the easy way out.
 
Coyote Ugly said:
Hold that thought for a moment. Ever wonder about how in Cuba they keep all those old cars running from the 1940's and 1950's ? They make the parts themselves. No help from the USA - embargo. They even put new asbestos linings on brake shoes in backyard operations. They created their own economy out of need, not like us where we go to Napa and take the easy way out.
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Hmm, well look at this way, just what are we looking at to be needed? If lead is usable at the velocities that cartridge would produce, then you can buy casting dyes online (or make your own?), and perhaps use shotgun primers? But i don't think its as easy as pulling out the dummy bullet, and just reloading the powder and a new bullet, is it?
 
The projectiles would not be tough. I can make pressing dies on my lathe to make the jackets. I was thinking of using copper pipe fittings, heat them cherry hot, then press them into shape. You could then use pieces of tool steel from hex wrenches to produce the tungsten core and pour lead around it inside the jacket. Gas check could be made of any copper or tin metal in the shape of a disk and then soldered to the bullet base.

Not that tough, really. And probably close to decent penetration performance.

Forming brass is also not impossible. Just machine some straight-walled cases from bras rod and then form the cases in reloading dies while hot. Might need several presses to get it down to size.

Dies can be had from CH4D, but expensive at $450 a set. Not sure if they fit a standard 50BMG press?

Anyhoo, it's all academic if I can't find someone to sell me a stupid frickin' ATR!!!
 
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