Another "Pick a newbie a gun for clays" post
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MauserMike
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What I need is a shell wench to catch my empties for me on the line 
And to take my other empties back to the beer store.
And to take my other empties back to the beer store.
To each his own, I too do not like the semi auto's for trap. I tried allot of different models, but that whole receiver moving thing isn't for me. I prefer a hinge or break gun, first choice single bbl, and then the o/u. I found the Beretta had too high of stock for me, but don't have a problem with a Beretta field gun. My top guns for trap were a Lujic single (ugly stick), Browning's BT99, old beaver tail model, the Citori, and the Perazzi, MX3 and MX2 combos. Those guns were all trouble free for many years.
But like someone already mentioned buy and try one, it doesn't take much time and you'll trade up or down for something different. There is always a gun for sale at a trap shoot.
But like someone already mentioned buy and try one, it doesn't take much time and you'll trade up or down for something different. There is always a gun for sale at a trap shoot.
If trap is your thing, I would certainly advise getting a dedicated trap gun, but the original poster said I would like a gun that will work "fairly" well for someone learning and trying most disciplines,
I have had both the Ljutic and the BT-99 and they are only good for one thing.
I have had both the Ljutic and the BT-99 and they are only good for one thing.
I have been shooting trap, skeet, olympic skeet and sporting clays since about 1985. Perazzi's are beautifull works of art, slim profile and gracefull shotguns, but I have seen many guys that shoot them have problems with the triggers, I don't know all the details of what went wrong but it ended thier shooting for the day. Remington 1100's seem to be hit or miss, some guys shoot them for years with no problems, the guys that do shoot them usually do very well. Remingtons seem to fit and are natural pointing guns, many of the top sporting clays shooters use them, but the serious ones carry a tool kit with spare parts. I personally own and shoot about fifteen shotguns the most expensive is my two barrel set citori but I also own Norinco 1897, Baikal's, Benelli's, Berretta's and a variety of others in between. One of my favorite guns for shooting clays is my twenty five year old wingmaster it is unstoppable. But I will never own a 1100 after all the problems I have seen with them.
I recall at time when Perazzis seemed to be very popular but the mx8 type seemed to have a lot of break downs, mostly with the leaf springs in the trigger assembly. I was so paranoid about it that I carried extra springs and bought an extra trigger group for every perazzi that I owned. Never had to change a one, but I did have to replace a couple of pins and a locking lever that just broke. Saw 1100s break down all over the place, but each and every one that I owned never skipped a beat, although I was prepared and had all of the recomended parts on hand. I presently shoot the 391 and I got a whole box of parts and even an extra gun, just in case. For me the reason I like the 391 is that when I do my thing it seems to do its thing really well. The auto that I like best for just being able to take a licking and keep on ticking was the Super X-1.
Perazzi has gone back to coil springs in the MX series. Most guys carry an extra spring with them. Perazzi triggers are very simple compared to a Kreighoff or Beretta. If something breaks in one of those it's off to the Smith. Changing a Perazzi spring is easy and you can do it yourself.
I've replaced one leaf spring in my MX8 at around the 60 thousand round mark. Took five minutes.
When I broke a spring in my K-gun it took five weeks.
I've replaced one leaf spring in my MX8 at around the 60 thousand round mark. Took five minutes.
When I broke a spring in my K-gun it took five weeks.
Where did you have the work done on your K-gun? I turned my around in 3 days including shipping (tues-thurs) at King City.
Brad.
This was in the late 90's. The gun was a K32 and I made the foolish mistake of dealing with Lawry's who were and believe still are Krieghoff importers.
Mad? I thought that the over complicated part was originally of good ole american origin?
Originally it was. The current Krieghoff can trace its roots back to the Remington Model 32. It was designed by Crawford Loomis at Remington who adapted a French locking design and mechanism. When the 32 was discontinued the rights to produce the gun went to Krieghoff. The K32 was improved over the years until it became the K80.
Regardless where it comes from it's still a complex design. Taking the stock off my K32 was an education. The trigger was a mass if little springs, clips and pins and looked like the inside of a Swiss watch. The K80 trigger is much the same. Perazzi triggers are very good. K80 triggers are better. I still like the Perazzi better overall but the K80 triggers are oustanding.
