Heckler & Koch

what's the story behind the P2000 .. how does it fit into their lineup if they already have the USP and hk45/p30 series.

I never heard of the P2000 until I saw a few pop up. but it looks almost exactly like the p30 minus the ###y curves, and probably shares alot of the same tech

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the P30L is a longer version of the P30,...which in turn is a progressive improvement over the P2000,..which is a USP with improvements.
 
P2000 is internally very similar to the USP:
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Rather than using the "recoil reduction system" of the USP (two different springs), the P2000 uses a buffer system (that white thing):
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Some of the differences between the P2000 and the P30s (partially my opinions):
- P30 has front cocking serrations and a picatinny-style equipment rail;
- P30 has interchangeable side straps and back straps, P2000 has only interchangeable back straps;
- P2000 has USP-style mag release; P30 has more of a Walther P99 "paddle"-style mag release;
- The grip on the P30 is longer. The P2000 is smaller and really (IMHO) requires the extended baseplates for a solid grip unless you have tiny hands (but the grip is fantastic with the baseplates - one of the best feeling guns out there IMHO);
- The P2000 started out as all LEM and DAO. Then they brought out the DA/SA guns a few years later and moved the de-cocker to the back of the slide, rather than the somewhat awkward location of the de-cocker on the USP. P30s seem to be just DA/SA (and just 9mm) right now, but there are always rumours;
- They went to a no-snag (what I think of as "1911"-style) rear sight on the P30. Two schools of thought on defensive handguns: (1) don't want it to snag; (2) want to be able to rack the slide off your belt. Probably comes down to different police contract requirements. The P2000, P30 and P30L all originate from different European police contracts.

I have a P2000. I've bought and sold a lot of pistols. I recommend this one highly. An absolutely fantastic pistol. My only proviso being, get those extended baseplates. They are available from Wolverine and other places. I'm not sure why HK and/or the Canadian distributor brought every single P2000 in with those flat baseplates, but they did.
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Even from the photo's, it appears the P30 allows you to get a higher grip on the pistol.
 
I much prefer the P2000 and USP to the P30L. I do not see how the P30L has any advantage over the USP or P2000... at least for me :D I may try a P30L again down the road if it has an LEM trigger like my P2000.... it is fantastic. I'm trying to see if I can get the combat competition trigger in my USP... we'll see
 
HK skunk works?

I've been looking into which HK I should get lately, lots of reading on top of some shooting or handling and stumbled on another pic I tough was just amazing:

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and strangely it reminded me of something else:

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that said, I still have n clue if i should go with a USP9, or a USP45CT... at least I know I want a USP.
 
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I'm still in the process of deciding which I like more, USP Custom Sport or P30L. I was expecting the ergonomics of the P30L to help improve control and materialize as better accuracy. This hasn't happened yet. The trigger on my P30L seems much smoother than the Custom Sport though. Right now the Custom Sport is slightly edging out the P30L as my favorite, but I'm not done comparing yet.
 
Devious said:
I'm still in the process of deciding which I like more, USP Custom Sport or P30L. I was expecting the ergonomics of the P30L to help improve control and materialize as better accuracy. This hasn't happened yet. The trigger on my P30L seems much smoother than the Custom Sport though. Right now the Custom Sport is slightly edging out the P30L as my favorite, but I'm not done comparing yet.
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I found the P30-L shot flatter than my USP Stainless. I think this will get even better once it is worn in and the springs get a little weaker. My USP stainless had many,.many rounds thru it,..and the spring was fine once it lost some tension.
 
P7's

Posted these on another thread but here are my babies.

P7M8 - HK Sidearm markings
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P7 - flush heel release, hard chromed, w/ Nils
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P7 - protruding heel release
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I took the P30L for a spin this weekend at the range. The new grips feel amazing in my hand, the recoil is minimal, and it seemed pretty accurate.

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nice P30 robstar, I'm sure the P30 is a good choice considering my 1st impression on th HK45 (dry fire only).

I guess you can call me old school; I ordered my 1st handgun from wolverine last week; a USP9. The USP40 I tried convinced me that was the one for me, in 9mm that is.


I still had no news from them so I am starting to wonder how long this is gonna take...
 
koalorka said:
I wasn't particularly impressed with the new P30, considering you can get a Glock for half the price.
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I think you're completely missing the point, but if the Glock is your preferred platform, all the best to you my friend.
 
koalorka said:
I don't consider interchangeable plastic grip panels a $500 feature.
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It's not just about the interchangeable grip panels and better ergonomics. HK's build quality is vastly superior to Glock's - just compare the two side by side and you'll see what I mean. HK also gives you a fully supported barrel (apparently, Glock still can't figure out how to make a fully supported barrel that feeds reliably, so they have to go with an engineering cop-out) and a choice of SA/DA and LEM trigger options. To some people, these things are worth the price premium.
 
capp325 said:
It's not just about the interchangeable grip panels and better ergonomics. HK's build quality is vastly superior to Glock's - just compare the two side by side and you'll see what I mean. HK also gives you a fully supported barrel (apparently, Glock still can't figure out how to make a fully supported barrel that feeds reliably, so they have to go with an engineering cop-out) and a choice of SA/DA and LEM trigger options. To some people, these things are worth the price premium.
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You've been chugging down the Koolaid haven't you? "Build quality", what exactly is this? They're both assembled from a parts bin and function tested. If you're referring to the fancy milling on the HK slide, that's completely superfluous and adds nothing. The barrel on the 9mm was always ramped and fully supported working flawlessly with +P and +P+ ammunition. The Glock is easier to strip, consists of 34 parts instead of +50 parts. The trigger on the P30 is mediocre at best. Seriously, if you enjoy H&K's 80% mark-up based solely on their name brand recongition, don't let me stop you from contributing to their financial success.
 
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