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I missed or can't find Danny's post,... what did he claim and is being called on for video evidence !!!
Hitting a Pie Plate at 400 yards
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bearkilr
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This thread should be put sticky'd so the Canadian military knows where to come if they need sniper replacements. 
400 yds......that's nothing. I can do it at night offhand while on the treadmill!!!!
400 yds......that's nothing. I can do it at night offhand while on the treadmill!!!!
400 yd pie plate
From any kind of decent rest hitting stuff at 3-400 yds shouldn't be too tough as long as its not too windy. As for off hand, thats a bit different. We have a two hundred yd. gong at our range. I take a few shots each time at the range, not as much as I probably should. I can say for sure I won't hit it ever time although more than I miss. I limit my off hand shots at game to under two hundred and then only if there's no way to get any kind of help. I have shot stuff way out there but only from well supported positions.
Who here feels that a 200 yrd off hand shot is difficult,... anyone?
With a flat shooting gun, I can hit a pie plate at 400 yrds off hand, big whoop.
Not with my 30/30 though.
From any kind of decent rest hitting stuff at 3-400 yds shouldn't be too tough as long as its not too windy. As for off hand, thats a bit different. We have a two hundred yd. gong at our range. I take a few shots each time at the range, not as much as I probably should. I can say for sure I won't hit it ever time although more than I miss. I limit my off hand shots at game to under two hundred and then only if there's no way to get any kind of help. I have shot stuff way out there but only from well supported positions.
Since very few people posted pictures... from my weekend quest to shoot a .224 50 grain vmax 1000 yards. This was a quick sighting target from my first weekend to check the scope dope from 100 to 300 and then I proceeded to shoot at 600. My stock remington rifle shoots 5 shot groups at a dime at 100 and with some practice at 600 I think it could shoot MOA, It was my first time shooting 600 yards ever... I kept a 10 shot string within the 9 ring on a F class 600 yard target... not bad for a first time long range shooter. This is moa at 300 yards but I think its possible to shoot sub moa since I pulled the shots to the right abit on the last two shots. But it really doesnt matter what I could have done this is what I actually did.
I forgot to say that I was shooting off the hood of my truck standing up but I was using a bipod... I find this is a pretty real world situation for shooting... I could do better if I sandbaged the rifle and pulled the trigger with a string... but thats not shooting.
Let just say you dont realize how far 600 yards is until you walk it 5 times there and back to check your targets... or when you go to move your target from 300 to 600 it becomes aparent how much further way its...
I forgot to say that I was shooting off the hood of my truck standing up but I was using a bipod... I find this is a pretty real world situation for shooting... I could do better if I sandbaged the rifle and pulled the trigger with a string... but thats not shooting.
Let just say you dont realize how far 600 yards is until you walk it 5 times there and back to check your targets... or when you go to move your target from 300 to 600 it becomes aparent how much further way its...
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You guys are good humour...
First you promote that anyone can make 400 yard kill shots everytime and now your backing off and saying that many shouldn't...
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Can you link me to where someone said that ANYONE can make 400 yard kill shots EVERYTIME?
Was I refering to you?
Please show me were I was...
Are you implying Gatehouse is NOT one of the guys??
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You guys are good humour...
First you promote that anyone can make 400 yard kill shots everytime and now your backing off and saying that many shouldn't...
Lots of shooting on this thread
I can hit a pie plate at 400 yrds off hand, big whoop.
Me too, in how many shots??
Sh*t shooting me thinks
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People shoot gophers at 400yrds. Granted not offhand, but the notion that a 400yrd shot is unattainable with a proper rest/support is silly. A shot that is evn 5 gopher-widths off the mark at a moose is still a shot in the kill zone.
Is there such a thing as minute-of-gopher?
Is there such a thing as minute-of-gopher?
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When varminting one sets up on a sunny hillside on a warm summer's morning before the mirage sets in, and with a 20X scope sighted match rifle propped upon sandbags for and aft, will manage 4 hits out of 10 at 400 yards. Compared to the reality of Canadian big game conditions with gusty fall winds driving snow squalls, a cold, hungry and often exhausted hunter shooting a 3-9X40 scope on a whippy barreled .300 magnum from an unsteady position because intervening willows don't let him get low enough the chances of a successful 400 yard shot are shall we say diminished.
Good morning, Boomer!
Say, the last time you shot at big game, were you conscious of being cold, hungry or exhausted when your quarry was in your scope and you were about to pull the trigger? Did you notice the recoil of your whimpy barreled 300magnum?
I am no way advocating that every 400yard shot is do-able. That is up to the individual to decide based on the comfort of his own skill and the conditions at that moment. Most modern rifles are capable, the question is whether the operator is capable. All I am saying is because I don't know those people, I'm not about to tell them what they should or should not do.
Say, the last time you shot at big game, were you conscious of being cold, hungry or exhausted when your quarry was in your scope and you were about to pull the trigger? Did you notice the recoil of your whimpy barreled 300magnum?
I am no way advocating that every 400yard shot is do-able. That is up to the individual to decide based on the comfort of his own skill and the conditions at that moment. Most modern rifles are capable, the question is whether the operator is capable. All I am saying is because I don't know those people, I'm not about to tell them what they should or should not do.
Pretty hard to pinpoint where the line of "too far" line is, with so many variables that are all based on each individual situation and conditions. I have had situations where a 400 yard shot is a "chip shot" and a 200 yard shot is one that should be passed on.
Really tough to qualify if you should take a shot or not just based on the distance, quite often in a hunting situation the distance is likely the only reliable constant. It is the variables that make you miss, not the known data.
Yah its a 4 inch circle at 400 yards Is a minute of angle for that range lol Lets make a handy chart for reference
Minute of sparow is 100 yards
Minute of squirel is 200 yards
Minute of crow is 300 yards
Minute of gopher is 400 yards
Minute of fox is 500 yards
Minute of mountian goat 600 yards
Minute of deer is 700 yards
Minute of elk is 800 yards
Minute of caribou is 900 yards
Minute of moose 1000 yards
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Yes, absolutly, correct!
Because you can make a 400 yard shot from the bench or even prone when the range is known and when you are relaxed and comfortable doesn't mean that you could duplicate the same shot under difficult field conditions. All I would ask of someone who might consider a shot at a range where his bullet drop exceeds 8" is to regularly practice at long range.
Around here the fall weather often hovers between bad to worse than horrible, so it is often conducive to success to wait for the stabilizing effect of winter. As for me, I like stalking, and my primary rifle's barrel is on the short and thick side and not so whippy. I shoot year round with fairly powerful rifles, so recoil from my rifles isn't an issue for me, but they have intimidated others. But, hunting rifles with long light contoured barrels are not the easiest to shoot, not because of recoil, but because they are difficult to hold steady in any but very solid shooting positions.
Yes I have noticed being cold when making a shot on game. When you have to press your finger on the side of the trigger to ensure contact prior to the shot you are cold, and it seems that my hands suffer badly in the cold now. I have also felt the need to shoot quickly when shooting prone on the sea ice, knowing that it wouldn't be long before I began to shiver. Yes I have noticed being fatigued and out of breath when making a shot, hunting on foot can do that. And yes I often pass up a shot on unwounded game if I consider the shot marginal, even if the shot was a reasonably close one.
I don't much care what other hunters do, provided its legal. If people are going to shoot big game at long range, I have no problem with that, if they regularly work at long range marksmanship. But to suggest that a quarter mile shot is not difficult, when the reader might be a hunter who is not a proficient long range marksman, is not particularly helpful.
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They are a 4" wide target when on all fours.
Was I refering to you?
Please show me were I was...
A link to any CGN member saying that woudl be fine...
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I've hunted on ice, with the lopp and lull of the tide while in boat, mountains, prairies, etc...
The sunny calm afternoons with a heavy barrel rifle and bag varmint shooting are indeed nice. And to to reach out to 400 yrds and tag a gopher or 500 and and tag a badger,.... it is almost relaxing...no stress, no cold,...
then again, I also shoot in -35C while snowshoeing with a backpack,...
There are people who can make shots and people who can't, that's OK !
I could post a video of me shooting a 400 yrd target, and then someone wants me to do it after running, like if I were biggame hunting. (I don't run when I am big game hunting)
Then someone else wants me to get my adrenalin going so that I am shaking when I take the shot, just like big game hunting (I don't shake like a leaf when I am big game hunting)
Then someone else wants me to be out of breath, with a bladder full of piss, a cougar on my back, -37C in a 80km/h crosswind.
The shot you take depends on the variables at that moment. if you practice to be good with a certain set of constants, then when that situation presents itself, you can take the shot at 400, 500 whatever.
When variables like a strong wind, shakey hand, etc kick in... you adjust your approach...
How is this so difficult for some to get.
The sunny calm afternoons with a heavy barrel rifle and bag varmint shooting are indeed nice. And to to reach out to 400 yrds and tag a gopher or 500 and and tag a badger,.... it is almost relaxing...no stress, no cold,...
then again, I also shoot in -35C while snowshoeing with a backpack,...
There are people who can make shots and people who can't, that's OK !
I could post a video of me shooting a 400 yrd target, and then someone wants me to do it after running, like if I were biggame hunting. (I don't run when I am big game hunting)
Then someone else wants me to get my adrenalin going so that I am shaking when I take the shot, just like big game hunting (I don't shake like a leaf when I am big game hunting)
Then someone else wants me to be out of breath, with a bladder full of piss, a cougar on my back, -37C in a 80km/h crosswind.
The shot you take depends on the variables at that moment. if you practice to be good with a certain set of constants, then when that situation presents itself, you can take the shot at 400, 500 whatever.
When variables like a strong wind, shakey hand, etc kick in... you adjust your approach...
How is this so difficult for some to get.
The sunny calm afternoons with a heavy barrel rifle and bag varmint shooting are indeed nice. And to to reach out to 400 yrds and tag a gopher or 500 and and tag a badger,.... it is almost relaxing
Geeze sealhunter you've changed your tune somewhat since this post.
Geeze sealhunter you've changed your tune somewhat since this post.
