How much $ to start a small ammo manufacturing business here????
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I believe CGN does not allow you to sell reloaded ammo. And you would never be able to compete with the big companies, sure it's cheaper to reload but not when you are buying brass every time.
Interesting concept, but what could you do for the Canadian market, that hand-loaders could not do for themselves? Think of how many rounds the big co's out of the USA and Czech make... I can't see the economics working out.
Got a business plan?
Got a business plan?
There's a thread on this in the reloading section right now. The machinery required to make brass is ridiculously prohibitively expensive. Break even point is past the time and money frames of most lotto winners.
I'd like to see the few companies we already have expand to meet the demand of our market. If I had access to decent ammo at the prices we saw even 2 years ago I'd spend a fortune. I understand that any progress would be expensive and hard fought though. This country is so disappointing in some ways. I am pretty much just praying for the price of ammo to crash.
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heavenIsAlie
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everyone in alberta shoots BDX reloads, stores cant even keep them on the shelves
with a fully loaded dillon 1050 and all the stuff, ( I think about a $4,000 investment) you could crank out 1,500 rnds per hour. thats a ####load of ammo.
I really don't think its the cost of manufacture, I think the margins and volumes don't support the overhead costs of liability insurance. one bad round could kill someone quicker than a bad widget, french fry or umbrella....
I really don't think its the cost of manufacture, I think the margins and volumes don't support the overhead costs of liability insurance. one bad round could kill someone quicker than a bad widget, french fry or umbrella....
Just getting tired of all the excuses from the "foreigners" about why everything is drying up. We shoot it here , why can't we make it here? Really was more worried about having a secure supply and not being so reliant on others for this precious resource when I posed this question. A gun without ammo is like a car without gas, or a women without a pussy, whats the point? Could probably ramble on and on but nobody wants to watch anyway. Could probabaly scrape up a token $5k to throw into a fund if the other 999 people with the same would step up too. BEAVER BALL AMMO CO. ????
heavenIsAlie
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anyone have any idea how much importing tacks on to the price of ammo? that would be the real thing, can you still make a good profit and keep it significantly lower than american stuff that people will still buy it
Like every single other thing on this planet in the past 2 years....... The price of ammo.... gold.... wheat, gas, metals, b.c. real estate ( 
) has been driven up by SPECUALTORS .... and has nothing to do with the usual laws of supply and demand.
These speculators look into thier crystal ball and forcast that the sky is falling and the prices of everything jumps.... inflated by the manipulating lies and half truths of SPECUALTORS
ammo.... is not immune...... and all market speculators should be thrown in a well filled with thier own feces hehehehe they are responsible for this craftily created global economic crash story we are all being fed.......
) has been driven up by SPECUALTORS .... and has nothing to do with the usual laws of supply and demand.These speculators look into thier crystal ball and forcast that the sky is falling and the prices of everything jumps.... inflated by the manipulating lies and half truths of SPECUALTORS
ammo.... is not immune...... and all market speculators should be thrown in a well filled with thier own feces hehehehe they are responsible for this craftily created global economic crash story we are all being fed.......
My guess is you'd have to look into incorporation so that your personal assets are not to be at stake in case of a disaster/law suit.
Source brass and primers and look for local bullet custers if you don't want to cast yourself in quantities.
Look for jucketed bullet source. Figure out how many and what calibers you can do at the same time.
Ideally, I wish, someone would have money and balls to just buy a whole production line from say Hornady (loading and re-loading equip. should be good to export/import) and start a serious business in Canada.. I can think of at least 2-3 calibers that Can. Gov. would be interested in buying. And think of how many jobs can be created too
Source brass and primers and look for local bullet custers if you don't want to cast yourself in quantities.
Look for jucketed bullet source. Figure out how many and what calibers you can do at the same time.
Ideally, I wish, someone would have money and balls to just buy a whole production line from say Hornady (loading and re-loading equip. should be good to export/import) and start a serious business in Canada.. I can think of at least 2-3 calibers that Can. Gov. would be interested in buying. And think of how many jobs can be created too
Funny how a lot of people gripe about not having a Canadian ammo manufacturer. But the reality is that there isn't enough demand AT THE PRICE THEY WOULD NEED TO CHARGE. Meaning the ammo would be priced at the going rate, not at surplus ammo prices.
The company wouldn't only need to cover costs, but to pay off that $4 million in setup costs.
The company wouldn't only need to cover costs, but to pay off that $4 million in setup costs.
I've never seen a more negative bunch of guys in my life than the naysayers here on CGN. You can't do this, you'll never be able to afford that, no one will pay the price, etc... If you guys are all right then how do Wolf in the East and BDX in the west seem to stay in business? And not just stay in business, but be so busy that they have a huge backlog of orders. Not to mention that they sell their commercially reloaded ammo for prices that are well below the price of normal commercial ammo. It can and has been done and it quite profitable for those who don't get bogged down in the negativity here on CGN...
Now that being said, if your plan is to also manufacture the components, then the investment will be far more substantial and you will need to do some real world research and conduct a proper feasibility study. It may or may not be a feasible business, but I can assure you that almost no one here on CGN will know for sure.
As as for the components, there are countries other then the US that you can buy them from if you are worries about US export restrictions...
Now that being said, if your plan is to also manufacture the components, then the investment will be far more substantial and you will need to do some real world research and conduct a proper feasibility study. It may or may not be a feasible business, but I can assure you that almost no one here on CGN will know for sure.
As as for the components, there are countries other then the US that you can buy them from if you are worries about US export restrictions...
It is not about being negative, just realistic.
Reloading has a low capital investment compared to manufacturing. For example, 6% interest on $4 million is 240k per year, and that wouldn't include any operating expenses, building lease, hydro, heat, insurance etc, never mind salaries. It is going to cost you 1/2 million or more, a year just to turn the lights on in your plant, before any manufacturing costs.
The reloaders are not manufacturing any of their own components (except maybe cast bullets) just assembling. Again, a big difference to manufacturing.
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