Brass case manufacturing equipment?

Besides all the stamping operations there are at least a couple of anneallings required in there too.
Plus quality control.
Plus the huge volumes that would be required just to make enough to pay the crazy insurance premiums that are going to come with this sort of operation. Do they still try to sue manufacturers for damages when a gangbanger uses your gun or ammo to cripple someone?
 
vagrantviking said:
Plus the huge volumes that would be required just to make enough to pay the crazy insurance premiums that are going to come with this sort of operation. Do they still try to sue manufacturers for damages when a gangbanger uses your gun or ammo to cripple someone?
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Not yet, but Ontario was proposing a Bill to make firearms manufacturers responsible for their products.

Right now in Ontario anyplace that serves alcohol is responsible if a customer gets drunk and hurts himself after leaving. A few months ago all the staff and Directors of a Clublink golf course in Ontario were charged after a few young people crashed their car, killing/injuring people in the car, after leaving the clubhouse.
 
Fwiw: I emailed Teck Cominco about supplying lead for projectiles but the reply about copper partially pertains to this thread. Below is what I sent and the response I got back.

inquiry:
if a guy were to set up a civilian projectile (aka bullets) manufacturing business in canada (maybe somewhere in se bc close to trail) would teck be able to supply lead (perhaps alloys of lead) and copper for this business?

Products and services of interest are:
Lead,copper

response:
thanks for your inquiry. We do supply lead and lead alloys to the ammunition industry so we could most likely supply these products to your company. However, we would need to review your specifications to be sure. We are a copper miner as opposed to a copper metal refiner so we could not be able to supply you copper.

Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks.

Best regards,

rob wilson
metals trading and market development manager
teck cominco metals ltd.
Direct phone: 416.943.6251
phone: 416.869.1850
fax: 416.943.0461
email: rob.wilson@teck.com
www.teck.com
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SandRoad said:
Not yet, but Ontario was proposing a Bill to make firearms manufacturers responsible for their products.

Right now in Ontario anyplace that serves alcohol is responsible if a customer gets drunk and hurts himself after leaving. A few months ago all the staff and Directors of a Clublink golf course in Ontario were charged after a few young people crashed their car, killing/injuring people in the car, after leaving the clubhouse.
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Regardless if they pass a bill or not this is the case for anything... if your meat is bad and kills people they are going to sue you... if your tires are prone to blowing out they are going to sue you.
 
msg.drew said:
Regardless if they pass a bill or not this is the case for anything... if your meat is bad and kills people they are going to sue you... if your tires are prone to blowing out they are going to sue you.
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The Ontario alcohol law I referred to was an example of CRIMINAL charges, not a civil suit.

Right now in Canada it is much more difficult to sue a manufacturer for misuse, or criminal use, of a product than it is in the US. The difference (I was told by a lawyer) is showing/proving negligence versus "poor performance" of a product. The Ontario law that was being proposed would have made firearm manufacturers MUCH easier to sue for damages, where right now you would have to show that they were negligent.

This is a very important distinction, and is one of the reasons you don't see the same level of "frivolous" civil lawsuits against companies in Canada as in the US.

(Please don't post nitpicking this post, I am only talking here in generalities about our laws. :cool: )
 
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If it was me and I was serious about starting a plant I would contact guys like Starline Brass and see if you could arrange a joint venture.

I think it would be cheaper to jump through the red tape for an importers license than to start from scratch. This is just my opinion. I do admire your spunk, we need a new generation of "Canadian Pioneers" in the shooting business/hobby.

Personally I always wondered why Norinco was not churning out millions of .223 and .45ACP You would think they could sell everything they made. Is it something to do with the US ban on chinese ammo/guns?
 
SandRoad said:
The Ontario alcohol law I referred to was an example of CRIMINAL charges, not a civil suit.

Right now in Canada it is much more difficult to sue a manufacturer for misuse, or criminal use, of a product than it is in the US. The difference (I was told by a lawyer) is showing/proving negligence versus "poor performance" of a product. The Ontario law that was being proposed would have made firearm manufacturers MUCH easier to sue for damages, where right now you would have to show that they were negligent.

This is a very important distinction, and is one of the reasons you don't see the same level of "frivolous" civil lawsuits against companies in Canada as in the US.

(Please don't post nitpicking this post, I am only talking here in generalities about our laws. :cool: )
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I know... I didn't mean it like that... in this day and age you can get sued or charged quite easy...

If your going to start a venture like this your going to need an on staff lawyer to protect your company and and insurance policy to cover millions of dollars I would say a blanket 50 million policy would be minimum... not only to cover your business but to cover you if one of your employees puts his hand in a press and crushes it.
 
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Maybe we could just start off with a Canadian primer manfacturer...any one know what it would cost to make primers in Canada?
 
Pocketfisherman said:
If it was me and I was serious about starting a plant I would contact guys like Starline Brass and see if you could arrange a joint venture.

I think it would be cheaper to jump through the red tape for an importers license than to start from scratch. This is just my opinion. I do admire your spunk, we need a new generation of "Canadian Pioneers" in the shooting business/hobby.

Personally I always wondered why Norinco was not churning out millions of .223 and .45ACP You would think they could sell everything they made. Is it something to do with the US ban on chinese ammo/guns?
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Relying in the USA as we currently are leaves us in the current situation which means back orders for 6 months and not being able to get primers and components easy... not to mention paying in us dollars :mad: regardless if we deal with China and or companies like Armscor for components they are going to want to be paid in USD :mad:
 
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Maybe we could just start off with a Canadian primer manfacturer...any one know what it would cost to make primers in Canada?
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Primers in theory are the simplest to make they are three basic components
The cup this can be stamped with ease and tooling made quite easy from basic existing machinery... then you have the little anvil which again can be stamped easy... third item in a primer is the mystery compound that is ignited... since you will be mfg explosives your going to need special permits and clearances from federal local and municipal governments I would assume I don't know about mfg explosives.
 
olegs69 said:
See if he'll spare you some money for an ammo plant?
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He is a millionaire but not a multi millionaire, and he inst foolish he is not going to risk his money on something that we think is going to be profitable... right now it might work but once the Americans stop fighting wars and the political fears are stabilized, there will be an abundance of primers and components... there are just a few factors right now that are messing up supply.

Did I mention he is 84 and retired lol - but still farming lol
 
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