Bad Year to be a Canadian Soldier

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Yessir '68 was a bad year :D

So there I was, out at the range, and what do I see? A poor little 5.56 round discarded as an apparent fail to fire. The head shows it to be a 1968 made IVI 5.56 round with a nice deep primer strike. At first I thought the bullet was a FMJ, but on closer inspection, I see its actually a Hollow Point. Whatever could have gone wrong?

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So, I take this little guy home, grab my bullet puller, and out pops the bullet.

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Thats when I notice the base of the bullet is completely coated in carbon. Wait, where is the powder?!

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Huh, I couldn't imagine a canadian soldier having to deal with ammo made w/o powder .. what an aweful thought.

I would have figured military rounds would have been inspected a little better then that! Also, I didn't think NATO IVI rounds were ever made with HP's .. I guess you really do learn something new every day.

(mods, if its more appropriate in the reloading section, please feel free to move)
 
it's an 89, and its a reload. NATO can use FMJ ball, trace, armour peircing, spotting and incindary ammo but not Jhp according to the Haig(?sp) conventions. or it might be a super secret squirrel round made for dependability and stelth. also with false headstamps to confuse and delay the enemy.
 
That primer doesn't look sealed around the pocket. Doesn't all canadian military ammo have sealed primers? I think you might have foud a faulty reload, not an original IVI load. If only that brass could talk...
 
Dominion Arsenals (DA) made 5.56 for the US in the 60's for Viet Nam, but IVI wasn't yet formed. As others have said it is a re-load.
 
ivi sold millions of rounds to the US.
canada may not have wanted to have anything to do with the war in Nam but
1 in 6rds fired came from canada.
So much for being against the war......
bbb
 
it might be a super secret squirrel round made for dependability and stelth. also with false headstamps to confuse and delay the enemy.
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yes thats why it was empty ......yeah i would want to be the guy to F_ck up that load

1 in 6rds fired came from canada.
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I also heard we sold them much of the napalm used and other ordinance.
 
yeah and as its been pointed that looks like 89 to me, I mean just look at the IVI, its oriented in the same way

definitely you were tired.
 
Oh the military do use hollowpoints. Snipers use match bullets for accuracy and these are hollowpoints. Reason that they are leagel is that the hollowpoint is for accuracy and not for killing or maiming.
 
Gibbs505 said:
Oh the military do use hollowpoints. Snipers use match bullets for accuracy and these are hollowpoints. Reason that they are leagel is that the hollowpoint is for accuracy and not for killing or maiming.
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Yes and no, The US Army ruled in favor of "hollow point" Sierra Match Kings for 2 reasons:

1) Sierra Match Kings, Hollow Point or not, do not actually expand like a normal hollow point would. The Jacket itself is not designed to expand, that is the same reason why Sierra warns against using Match Kings for hunting even though they appear to have "hollow points".

2) The Hague Conventions do not ban "Hollow point" ammunition, nor do they ban any other type of ammunition based on their "look", instead they are banning rounds that expand or flatten more then your average FMJ military ball ammo.

A thin jacketed FMJ that will turn to shrapnal like pieces on impact (such as early 5.56mm NATO, German made 7.62mm NATO rounds), are ok as they do not expand or flatten to cause more damage. Whereas British style FMJ (later on copied by the Russians in the 7.62x39mm round) with a lighter tip to cause the ammunition to want to yawn (start to turn inside the body) causing more damage then a single straight hole are ok as well because they both nether expand or flatten to cause more massive damage in the body.

Additionally at this point in time the US military, as the Canadian Forces and all our partners in this War on Terrorism can use any ammunition they damn well please they can. Terrorists and insurgents who are not in uniform during the course of their actions, or they dress in non-military clothing to keep themselves hard to distinguish from the Civilian population are not covered by ANY Military Treaties of War.

Dimitri
 
good post Dimitri,:)

that looks like a relaod to me that someone forgot to put powder in:rolleyes: havent done that one yet crosses fingers:rolleyes:....
 
That case was made by IVI in 1989 and bears the NATO compatibily symbol. This case has been reloaded as the primer is not sealed or crimped. Whom ever reloaded it spent a great deal of time to remove the original spent primer and then appears to have forgotten to apply a suitable quantity of powder to the case.

As for treaties etc. The Canadian Forces adhere to these documents wether the enemy wears a uniform or not.
 
Petrock said:
The Canadian Forces adhere to these documents wether the enemy wears a uniform or not.
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Just as the US Military is attempting to do in this current war.

Terrorists should be treated as they deserve. They are not a military that does the whim of the Government in power. Nor do they give the same treatment back to our troops. Places like Gitmo are exotic resorts compared to what they deserve. ;)

Dimitri
 
Petrock said:
That case was made by IVI in 1989 and bears the NATO compatibily symbol. This case has been reloaded as the primer is not sealed or crimped. Whom ever reloaded it spent a great deal of time to remove the original spent primer and then appears to have forgotten to apply a suitable quantity of powder to the case.

As for treaties etc. The Canadian Forces adhere to these documents wether the enemy wears a uniform or not.
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I requires no more time to remove the spent primer from military brass than from civilian, all that is needed is to swage or cut the crimp away, and if the brass was cheap or free that would be a minor inconvenience. I had sandbags full of this stuff in 5.56, 7.62, and .303 that was picked up after ranger exercises. There was a big exercise here this winter, but they don't give away the brass anymore.

Forgetting to add the powder could be fairly disasterous if the primer had enough force to drive the bullet far enough into the barrel that a subsequent round could chamber behind it without the shooter checking for a bore obstruction.
 
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