Dominion Arms Outlaw Owners ONLY poll-Apr. 4 Tally results: YES 88.5% NO 11.5%
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just ahead of the chamber, it goes all the way around on both barrels.
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It doesn't look to have opened up, instead I would suggest what you are seeing is a manufacturing line. For those not fond of these guns they will grumble about the line, but that looks normal, unless it was much tighter before you started firing?
You can see in this pic a nice ring of engraving, which is what higher end makers do to obscure that ring, but from just looking at your pic it seems OK, sloppy, but OK. Perhaps one of the grumpy old men would care to comment
I had thought when you mentioned barrel separation you meant the ribs from the barrels. My mistake.
These are monobloc guns meaning the chambers and barrels are two separate pieces and the barrels are soldered into the chambers. This isn't an unusual process, most guns except the ultra expensive ones with chopper lump barrels are made this way. On most guns the almost invisble seam is covered with light engraving as was mentioned earlier.
Before the engraving a quality monobloc gun will sometimes show a faint seam that looks like it is in the blueing. This however is a lot more serious and it sure as heck isn't any "manfacturing line." This is a sign barrels are beginning to separate from the bloc which is very serious. The Norinco hammer guns I looked at a couple of years had faint seams but nothing like this.
The fans of the Outlaw are free to write this off as coming from one of the critics of these guns but for your own safety keep an eye on this part of the barrels. It's not likely going to let go catastrophically but it's certain worth being aware of.
It doesn't look to have opened up, instead I would suggest what you are seeing is a manufacturing line. For those not fond of these guns they will grumble about the line, but that looks normal, unless it was much tighter before you started firing?
You can see in this pic a nice ring of engraving, which is what higher end makers do to obscure that ring, but from just looking at your pic it seems OK, sloppy, but OK. Perhaps one of the grumpy old men would care to comment
Maybe "the grumpy old men" were right all along. It's to bad you "youngsters" didn't listen. Or maybe that large seam is there to adjust your point of impact. After all, most of you guys were complaining that the outlaw was shooting high. Simply bend your barrels down to adjust for point of aim.
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If the line opened up, I would agree, send it back. Better safe than sorry.
I am not a fan of this method of barrel making, even on higer quality makes, it just seems goofy to me.
Maybe "the grumpy old men" were right all along. It's to bad you "youngsters" didn't listen. Or maybe that large seem is there to adjust your point of impact. After all, most of you guys were complaining that the outlaw was shooting high. Simply bend your barrels down to adjust for point of aim.
I make you to be the one on the left
, and I'm still older than you Hmmm, if the CFC doesn't consider barrel extensions to be legal barrel length, how do they justify qualifying this type of shotgun barrel... if I still owned an M1 Carb, I might just ask them that....
Monobloc construction is a proven method and has been around for many decades. Monobloc barrels are less expensive than chopper lump barrels and the majority of break action guns are made this way. Sleeving is a similar procedure to refurbish older guns. New barrel tubes are installed in the existing chamber block to replace old, worn out barrels.
I finally got out and tested my Outlaw. I am satisfied with the shotgun. it won't replace my HP9-1 pump but for a fun short range blaster it'll do the job.
The only upgrade will be a higher bead as my Outlaw shoots high as do most of the others tested so far. The length of pull seems fine to me and I won't be changing it.
The felt recoil was very mild and controllable except when shooting off the bench.
I did not get any trigger bite. I did not try to fire both barrels at the same time.
The forend was very tight prior to test firing. After 5 shots it developed a slight rattle but did not fall off and functioned properly.
Here is my photo proving ownership.
All shells used in this range report were 2 3/4".
I first shot at a blank piece of paper at 40 yards with Federal Upland Game # 6. The left barrel was printing left and high while the right barrel printed on but slightly high.
I then shot a Lockhart style 30" target with the Federal #6 at 40 yards. I don't have a large piece of plexiglass to make up a propoer Lockhart gauge but based on the results, i won't be hunting with the Outlaw at 40 yards.
The left barrel:
The right barrel:
I then moved in to 25 yards and shot some WIN H/P 1600 fps slugs. POA was a 6 o'clock hold on the black circle of each target. The right barrel printed high 4-6" high and on line. The left barrel printed 7" high and 7" left. Clearly only the right barrel with a higher bead is slug viable at this range.
On the same 25 yard target I then shot a round of Fed 9 pellet OO buck, standard velocity. The pellets are marked in green. The right barrel would do the job of a coachgun at 25 yards with this load. The left barrel was way off and essentially useless at this range.
The next image shows buckshot performance of the right and left barrels with Fed OO buckshot at more realistic combat ranges of 15 and 5 yards.
The right barrel is highlighted in red and the left barrel in green.
POA is the centre of each target.
The right barrel at 15 and 5 yards is fine with OO buck. The left barrel at 15 yards is touch and go but at 5 yards it'll do the job.
I am going to drill and tap a higher more visible bead. I may install a second bead on the left side of the rib to see if that'll get the poorly regulated left barrel to print closer to the POA.
There were 2 older members of my club at the range. Longtime hunters and rifle target shooters. They immediately asked me if it was legal. I told them that it was non-restricted, that you could even hunt with it in BC and that I bought it to piss off Lieberals. They both broke into smiles and then burned off half a box of my ammo trying it out.
The only upgrade will be a higher bead as my Outlaw shoots high as do most of the others tested so far. The length of pull seems fine to me and I won't be changing it.
The felt recoil was very mild and controllable except when shooting off the bench.
I did not get any trigger bite. I did not try to fire both barrels at the same time.
The forend was very tight prior to test firing. After 5 shots it developed a slight rattle but did not fall off and functioned properly.
Here is my photo proving ownership.
All shells used in this range report were 2 3/4".
I first shot at a blank piece of paper at 40 yards with Federal Upland Game # 6. The left barrel was printing left and high while the right barrel printed on but slightly high.
I then shot a Lockhart style 30" target with the Federal #6 at 40 yards. I don't have a large piece of plexiglass to make up a propoer Lockhart gauge but based on the results, i won't be hunting with the Outlaw at 40 yards.
The left barrel:
The right barrel:
I then moved in to 25 yards and shot some WIN H/P 1600 fps slugs. POA was a 6 o'clock hold on the black circle of each target. The right barrel printed high 4-6" high and on line. The left barrel printed 7" high and 7" left. Clearly only the right barrel with a higher bead is slug viable at this range.
On the same 25 yard target I then shot a round of Fed 9 pellet OO buck, standard velocity. The pellets are marked in green. The right barrel would do the job of a coachgun at 25 yards with this load. The left barrel was way off and essentially useless at this range.
The next image shows buckshot performance of the right and left barrels with Fed OO buckshot at more realistic combat ranges of 15 and 5 yards.
The right barrel is highlighted in red and the left barrel in green.
POA is the centre of each target.
The right barrel at 15 and 5 yards is fine with OO buck. The left barrel at 15 yards is touch and go but at 5 yards it'll do the job.
I am going to drill and tap a higher more visible bead. I may install a second bead on the left side of the rib to see if that'll get the poorly regulated left barrel to print closer to the POA.
There were 2 older members of my club at the range. Longtime hunters and rifle target shooters. They immediately asked me if it was legal. I told them that it was non-restricted, that you could even hunt with it in BC and that I bought it to piss off Lieberals. They both broke into smiles and then burned off half a box of my ammo trying it out.
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JohnC
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
+1
ps I found that tightening the foreend screws and sticking a target patch in the concave hollow at the end of the foreend - the part that pivots against the front of the action - made things nice and tight again
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JohnC
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Do you mean the end of the forearm between the barrels and the wood(small gap)?
no the concave steel part at the back of the foreend- that butts up against the nose of the action when the gun is assembled. ( ie the patch is between these two steel pieces when the gun is assembled).
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Have received mine yesterday, Altough I find it a bit heavy and bulky, I like it ! For a $300 SXS shotgun it seem not too bad. I have not fired it yet, I just dropped it at my gunsmith's to shorten the stock and take it to the minimum legal OAL (26'' I believe)
Just received my Outlaw last night BNIB.
Didn't have much time to do anything beyond opening the box and looking at it, but I'm planning a strip down, reassemble (got my locktite and target patch all ready) and a range test this weekend, time permitting. I'll try to remember a camera.
Didn't have much time to do anything beyond opening the box and looking at it, but I'm planning a strip down, reassemble (got my locktite and target patch all ready) and a range test this weekend, time permitting. I'll try to remember a camera.
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you can fire shorter, just not longer. That pretty much goes for all shotguns. Shorter, but not longer, this is a fairly important point.
