Full size cartridge semi-auto rifles

Claven2 said:
G41
Huot Automatic Rifle
Chauchat
Bren
Lahti L-39
PTRS
Boys
Charlton
Lewis
M1941 Johnston
MKb42
DP28
Steyr-Solothrun L-18
WW2 Japanese M1 Garand copy
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Claven, my milsurp lovin' competitive friend, your list is mostly light machine guns and centrefire anti-tank guns. Another case of wish-list-itis?

For the record the Mkb42 fires the 7.9x33 Kurz round. But you are absolutely correct that the list needs the WW1 Huot and the WW2 Charleton. Two clumsy but critical stages in the evolutionary chain.
 
The mexican Mondragon semi automatic rifle was, according to Wikipedia the first automatic rifle in the world. Invented in 1882, and patented in 1887.

The Mexican army also had a 100 round drum for the machine gun version of the Mondragon rifle.

At the time very expensive to make, and was used by the Mexican army. The mexican revolutionary, Pancho Villa, was asassinated by several Mondragon rifles. During WW1, the german air force gave up using the Mondragon rifle, becasue it was to unreliable. It fired the 7 X 57 Masuer round.
 
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-Simonov AVS-36
-RSC Model 1917 and Model 1918
-Fedorov Avtomat
-Cei-Rigotti
-Farquhar-Hill
-Mauser Air Service (FSK-15)
-Winchester Model 1907 (some of these were bought during WWI by France, Britain, and Russia)
 
tjhaile said:
-Simonov AVS-36
-RSC Model 1917 and Model 1918
-Fedorov Avtomat
-Cei-Rigotti
-Farquhar-Hill
-Mauser Air Service (FSK-15)
-Winchester Model 1907 (some of these were bought during WWI by France, Britain, and Russia)
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What the heck are these guns? Never heard of most of them.
 
Simonov AVS-36:
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl16-e.htm
This rifle was adopted by the Soviets in 1936. It was soon replaced with the Tokarev SVT-40.

RSC 1917 and 1918:
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl29-e.htm
These were used in WWI by the French Army and chambered in 8mm Lebel. Interestingly, the French had developed a much better rifle, the Meunier, prior to WWI, but the outbreak of the war prevented its adoption, as it was chambered for a new 7x59mm round rather than the standard 8mm Lebel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meunier_rifle

Fedorov Avtomat:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as86-e.htm
Chambered for the 6.5mm Arisaka cartridge, these select-fire rifles were made in Russia between 1915-1924. The Avtomat has been described as a percursor to the modern assault rifle.

Cei-Rigotti:
The Cei-Rigotti was developed in the 1890s in Italy. It was chambered for 6.5mm Carcano and was probably the first select-fire rifle made.

Farquhar-Hill:
Various prototypes of this British recoil-operated design were made between about 1907-1922

Mauser Air Service:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=Eq2...nqWnBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result
These were made during WWI to arm aircrew prior to the adoption of aircraft mounted machine guns in much the same role as the Mondragon was used in German service.

Winchester Model 1907:
http://imageevent.com/willyp/firearmsalbums/usww1aefused1907winchester351sl
These were a straight blowback rifle chambered for the .351 Winchester Self Loading (WSL) cartridge. In addition to limited service in WWI, these were popular for police and prison guard use.
 
The British and American Pederson rifles and carbines in .276, as well as the Japanese variation of the Pederson in 6.5mm. Expensive items.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
The Swedish AG42, AG42B and Hakim all go by the name Ljungman. Someone mentioned the Danish Madsen, which is a fourth variant of the same rifle
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I assure you they do not. The Hakim and Ljungman are very different. No one would call a Hakim a Ljungman. Different Caliber, adjustable gas system.

The AG42...MAYBE as the B version was just an AG42 "upgraded" and not really a new design.

Talquin said:
Hakim is just a less polished ljungman without throwing brass 10 feet.
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TWENTY feet....at least :D
 
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Ljungman said:
I assure you they do not. The Hakim and Ljungman are very different. No one would call a Hakim a Ljungman. Different Caliber, adjustable gas system.
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OK, so you do you explain the similarities of the Swedish built AG42B and the Egyptian made Hakim? Same oddball cocking motion, nearly identical magazines, and visual lines. I am definately not referring to the Egyptian FN49. I have one of each.
 
Not sure I understand your last post but, just saying the that you can't correctly call a Hakim an AG42B. They are two entirely different firearms. It would be like calling an FN CAL an FN FAL or a Beretta BM95 an M-14.
 
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