Prohibited handgun - once .25 or .32 will always be

[Rudy H]

This was posted in a different forum. Does anyone have any recent information on 25 or 32 calibre 12(6) converted (to restricted) guns?

I have a waltherpp that was being converted to a restricted .380 cal.verified paper work sent in, then all of a sudden we are told they cant do that any longer cuz once its a.25 or .32 it will always be a.25 or .32 regaurdless...I talked with them about it last week and apperently they have somone new in there that is interpeting things differently.

 

[Chabz2001]

I just don't understand why those 2 calibers are prohib. I know people will tell me '' because someone thought it was to be'' but I don't get how those calibers are more dangerous then, say, 9mm or what not. I guess you guys probably answered this zillions of times but I'm a lazy bastard and I feel it's a good place to ask.

 

[m39a2]

Nice try! The Criminal Code defines a prohibited handgun, not a drone in an office. It is what it is when it is presented to be registered, not what it was or my favorite, what it could be. I have already argued this several years ago and if anyone is told this by one anyone, PM me with a name and a phone number of said government employee and I will straighten them out for you!

Scott

 

[Rudy H]

Thanks for the offer Scott but I am first looking for confirmation on this. Anyone else that has a similar situation.

 

[SandRoad]

This was posted in a different forum. Does anyone have any recent information on 25 or 32 calibre 12(6) converted (to restricted) guns?

25 and 32 guns can be converted to restircted but you much change the calibre to a non-prohib one plus have a 105mm+ barrel.

I.know that Walther PPs and PPK's in 32 have been converted to 380 ACP. A 25 ACP could be converted to 22 LR.

25 and 32 are almost always blowback actions, so low powered cartridges are needed.

 

[joe-nwt]

I just don't understand why those 2 calibers are prohib. I know people will tell me '' because someone thought it was to be'' but I don't get how those calibers are more dangerous then, say, 9mm or what not. I guess you guys probably answered this zillions of times but I'm a lazy bastard and I feel it's a good place to ask.

Because if they made 9mm prohib all the gun owners would have gone ballistic and made a huge uproar.

This way they got what they wanted. A bite.

 

[Jericho]

I already had a recent battle regarding de-prohibiting .25 and .32 guns. It's a no-go. Legally, the legislation states if the firearm was DESIGNED to fire .25 and .32, then it's prohibited on design. Changing the firearm doesn't change how it was originally designed. I'm sure this is being fought, but for now, no dice.

 

[Rudy H]

25 and 32 guns can be converted to restircted but you much change the calibre to a non-prohib one plus have a 105mm+ barrel.

I.know that Walther PPs and PPK's in 32 have been converted to 380 ACP. A 25 ACP could be converted to 22 LR.

I know it has been done. I have done it myself for both 25 and 32 calibre guns. But I am interested in what they are doing now. So anyone who can provide information, or their own experience, on the current situation is what I'm after.

 

[colinjw]

I just don't understand why those 2 calibers are prohib. I know people will tell me '' because someone thought it was to be'' but I don't get how those calibers are more dangerous then, say, 9mm or what not. I guess you guys probably answered this zillions of times but I'm a lazy bastard and I feel it's a good place to ask

The government wanted to eliminate some hand guns ( to start with, more to follow).
They said that the .25's & .32's were for the " saturday night specials ' and that made them bad guns because they were small & easily concealed.

There is no logic other than what the Liberals came up with.

 

[RT]

Ya, Ive had several done without a hitch til this one! They cant seem to tell me of what the status of my other one`s are right now either...I think theyve opened a can of worms they dont know how to deal with! They have been reclassifiying them for years and all of a sudden decided they have been doing it all wrong...as if they will admit to anything at all! Just ask for clarification in writing...they wont put it on paper for me!

 

[Boomer]

Nice try! The Criminal Code defines a prohibited handgun, not a drone in an office. It is what it is when it is presented to be registered, not what it was or my favorite, what it could be. I have already argued this several years ago and if anyone is told this by one anyone, PM me with a name and a phone number of said government employee and I will straighten them out for you!

Scott

I would assume that because most .32's are .30 caliber rather than 8mm, that simply having the gun re-marked ".30 Boomer" would result in it becoming restricted rather than prohib, provided it makes the barrel length requirement. I think having a .32 H&R Magnum Blackhawk marked .30 Boomer would not raise any flags. As far as I know, Ruger Blackhawks chambered for .30 Carbine were never put on the prohib list, thus bore size is not the issue, only the name it goes by.

 

[Jericho]

M39A2, I've already tried to fight it. Ottawa is NOT budging on this, this time around.

This is what local CFO as well as CFC and Ottawa are concluding on:

prohibited firearm" means

(a) a handgun that

(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, OR

(ii) is *designed* OR adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,

but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,


(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,


(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or

(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm;

"OR, is designed OR adapted to fire .25 or .32"

Meaning if it was DESIGNED to fire these cartridges from the factory, then it's classed as prohibited. Furthermore, I was told that there's nothing stopping CFC from researching all current illegal conversions and confiscating them.

Apparently, anti's lawyers kicked up, picked at the prohib definition and now stuck without a pot to sh*t in, or a window to throw it out of.


EdiT:

25 and 32 guns can be converted to restircted but you much change the calibre to a non-prohib one plus have a 105mm+ barrel.

I.know that Walther PPs and PPK's in 32 have been converted to 380 ACP. A 25 ACP could be converted to 22 LR.

25 and 32 are almost always blowback actions, so low powered cartridges are needed.

Read above

 

[Rudy H]

I would assume that because most .32's are .30 caliber rather than 8mm, that simply having the gun re-marked ".30 Boomer" would result in it becoming restricted rather than prohib,

It actually says if able to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge. This is why guns that are 7.65mm (metric for the 32 ACP) are also included. It doesn't matter what it is called but what it can discharge.

 

[Boomer]

It actually says if able to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge. This is why guns that are 7.65mm (metric for the 32 ACP) are also included. It doesn't matter what it is called but what it can discharge.

There is no reason in the world for .32-20 or .32 Magnum revolvers, most often SA Colts or Rugers, to fall into the same category as a pocket pistol. Bore diameter of these guns is .308 or .311, so there are no .32 caliber handguns. Machine off the .32 cartridge designation on a pistol and stamp it as a .30 caliber, because that's what it is, and the former prohib is now restricted, provided it has a long enough barrel. By definition the .30 carbine is a .32, as are the .30 Mauser, and the 7.62 Tokarev, yet these guns are simply restricted. This is evidence that it is the name rather than the bore size that the government takes issue with. One does not have to be 12.6 authorized to purchase .32 ammo or components, so the stamp on the head of the cartridge is of no consequence. Banning calibers is pretty stupid, even by Liberal standards.

 

[Rudy H]

You are trying to use logic again. Stop that. We are talking about the law and what the Registrar has and is currently doing.

 

[MacDeth]

The government wanted to eliminate some hand guns ( to start with, more to follow).
They said that the .25's & .32's were for the " saturday night specials ' and that made them bad guns because they were small & easily concealed.

There is no logic other than what the Liberals came up with.

That's what was explained to me by an RCMP firearms instructor/armourer buddy of mine. The tiny, concealable, cheap pistols, (and cartridges) could be purchased for less than a hundred dollars in the USA; are cheap enough to be disposable throw-aways and attractive enough (through supply and demand) for the Americans to risk smuggling them across the border in large numbers:$90USD sold for $3-400CDN is worthwhile profit. By the same token, the next "useful" caliber up, the 9mm, is so much more expensive as to be considered too much of a risk for the amount of money a smuggler could make since a shiny new 9mm bought legally in Canada would be far less money than they would be wanting for their "illegally imported" guns...

 

[Jericho]

Machine off the .32 cartridge designation on a pistol and stamp it as a .30 caliber, because that's what it is, and the former prohib is now restricted, provided it has a long enough barrel.

One does not have to be 12.6 authorized to purchase .32 ammo or components, so the stamp on the head of the cartridge is of no consequence.

Restamping / rechambering an already prohibited handgun that was designed from the factory in .25 or .32acp configuration would be an illegal conversion, since it's original design was still .25 or .32acp.

You don't have to have a 12(6) license to buy .32 ammo or components because the ammo isn't controlled with regards to the firearm... and you can get restricted .32acp handguns that conform with the International Shooting Union or something to that nature.

 

[Rudy H]

That's what was explained to me by an RCMP firearms instructor/armourer buddy of mine. The tiny, concealable, cheap pistols, (and cartridges) could be purchased for less than a hundred dollars in the USA; are cheap enough to be disposable throw-aways and attractive enough (through supply and demand) for the Americans to risk smuggling them across the border in large numbers:$90USD sold for $3-400CDN is worthwhile profit. By the same token, the next "useful" caliber up, the 9mm, is so much more expensive as to be considered too much of a risk for the amount of money a smuggler could make since a shiny new 9mm bought legally in Canada would be far less money than they would be wanting for their "illegally imported" guns...

OK so the cheap guns in the USA are an issue. So how does a making the guns up here prohibited help the smuggling situation? Nothing has changed on the american side. And the guns here required registration before they could be sold. Its all a load of BS.

But that is not what this thread is about. This is about the current situation at the Registry regarding converting 25 & 32 cal guns and issuing Restricted certificates for them. Then the current refusal to do this anymore.

 

[SandRoad]

I was mistaken earlier in this thread.

So what this means is that a post war 25 or 32 handgun is going to be completely worthless as anything but a dewat. (that is of course after the last 12(6) holder dies)

 

[Rudy H]

That was the plan. It is called registration = confiscation even if they are prepared to wait a while.