I am looking at a Maltby No.4 mk1 and i saw that there are two little screws on the bottom of the receiver. My first thought was it was drilled for a different sight or scope mount but am not sure. Also, How good are the Maltbys? I ask because i don't hear very much about the Maltbys. Thanks.
Are Maltbys any different?
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I've read of Savages having brittleness issues, fracturing etc, same as the Remington Eddystone P14s.
Again, a private contractor trying to produce as cheaply as possible for a cash customer in a foreign country and workers probably paid piecework.
The account I read suggested that Eddystone piece-workers were overheating the receiver billets so as to do all the forging in two heats rather than three.
Lots of ambiguous, if not hostile attitudes to Britain and the wars among certain segments of the US population in those days.
Long Branch on the other hand was a crown corporation, charged with building the best product they could, as quickly as they could.
Some early Maltbys were chosen for conversion to No4(T)s, but not that many. Overall, my impression is they were not as good as BSA, but about equal to Fazakerly. Functional, but not pretty like the Long Branches.
Where are these screws located?
I would like a full military all original rifle, but that one is pretty nice. Is it worth $430? It does come with two bayonets which usually go for around $50-75 a piece and the bolt tool (and since i really want to start collecting is a nice thing to have)
Is it worth $430 to you? I wouldn't buy it, but that's because I have a couple of No.4s and don't need any more. But you want one.
If I did want one, I probably wouldn't buy that one because the price is a bit high for me, but they aren't getting cheaper and perhaps you come by your money more easily than I do mine (wouldn't surprise me, I've always sucked at making money.) Maybe you can find one a bit cheaper, but probably not a nicer one for as much as $100 less. How does that waiting time vs. potentially saving <$100 seem to you? And if you think you can sell one of the bayonets for $50 and maybe the bolt head, the price is in effect significantly reduced. Sounds like you would keep the stripper clips and the tool, so they do add value to the package.
If I just wanted it to have and to shoot, and I thought it was in good serviceable condition, I wouldn't let those holes in the side of the receiver stop me having a good shooter. Do you just want one that works properly that you can shoot without worrying about how much wear and tear you are putting on a valuable collectible?
If I cared about having an unmarked example for a collection, this one wouldn't be the answer, because of those drilled holes. Is that what you want if for?
I wouldn't put any value on two bayonets because I'm not going to use it for bayonet practise or for displaying as a correct as issued example with a bayonet.
Your money, your choice, I hope you enjoy it. I don't think you will go wrong, either way.
If I did want one, I probably wouldn't buy that one because the price is a bit high for me, but they aren't getting cheaper and perhaps you come by your money more easily than I do mine (wouldn't surprise me, I've always sucked at making money.) Maybe you can find one a bit cheaper, but probably not a nicer one for as much as $100 less. How does that waiting time vs. potentially saving <$100 seem to you? And if you think you can sell one of the bayonets for $50 and maybe the bolt head, the price is in effect significantly reduced. Sounds like you would keep the stripper clips and the tool, so they do add value to the package.
If I just wanted it to have and to shoot, and I thought it was in good serviceable condition, I wouldn't let those holes in the side of the receiver stop me having a good shooter. Do you just want one that works properly that you can shoot without worrying about how much wear and tear you are putting on a valuable collectible?
If I cared about having an unmarked example for a collection, this one wouldn't be the answer, because of those drilled holes. Is that what you want if for?
I wouldn't put any value on two bayonets because I'm not going to use it for bayonet practise or for displaying as a correct as issued example with a bayonet.
Your money, your choice, I hope you enjoy it. I don't think you will go wrong, either way.
Lee Enfield No. 4's seem to go for around $300-$500 depending on condition and etc. I'm sure most of us are aware of the EE ad you're referring to, and let me break it down for you.
-Bayonets are roughly $15 each, total for two would be $30
-Chargers are around $2 each, x 15= $30
-Slings go for about $15
-Bolt heads are $20
-Firing pin tool is around $15
The accessories add up to around $100, again give or take depending on where you buy them from, taxes, shipping, etc. Shipping, even the cheap method, is going to cost you around $30. This means the gun is priced at around $300 without accessories and shipping.
Frankly, I think the package is a good deal *if you're the type of person that likes to have accessories for your gun. I like to have the bayonets, slings, and other junk that go with milsurps but that's just me. If you only want to take it to the range then sure, you can probably find a better deal but I think the asking price is certainly fair and a good deal.
-Bayonets are roughly $15 each, total for two would be $30
-Chargers are around $2 each, x 15= $30
-Slings go for about $15
-Bolt heads are $20
-Firing pin tool is around $15
The accessories add up to around $100, again give or take depending on where you buy them from, taxes, shipping, etc. Shipping, even the cheap method, is going to cost you around $30. This means the gun is priced at around $300 without accessories and shipping.
Frankly, I think the package is a good deal *if you're the type of person that likes to have accessories for your gun. I like to have the bayonets, slings, and other junk that go with milsurps but that's just me. If you only want to take it to the range then sure, you can probably find a better deal but I think the asking price is certainly fair and a good deal.
Again, what are you really looking for? The Pakistan built No4 MkII rifles being offered by P&S are fine rifles for a similar price and are also battle proven dureing the wars between India and Pakistan. They were built on British equipment and have very nice walnut stocks. For about the same price, you can get the rifle and No9 bayonet with scabbard. It will be all correct, reliable and accurate as well. The rifle you're thinking of buying would be fine, if it came with the target sight. As is it's considered an altered rifle and therefore carries less value than is currently being asked.
I would also suggest a quick perusal of some of the other headered vendors sites. There is an unheadered shop in BC, Del Selins, that has more than one complete No4 MkI* on the shelf at reasonable prices. He also has a couple of ads on this site if you want to do a search.
I would also suggest a quick perusal of some of the other headered vendors sites. There is an unheadered shop in BC, Del Selins, that has more than one complete No4 MkI* on the shelf at reasonable prices. He also has a couple of ads on this site if you want to do a search.
"...read of Savages having brittleness issues..." Never heard of any issues with a Savage made rifle. Savage made over 1 million of 'em between 1941 and 1944 by the same workies who worked at Savage before the War. When the contract ended, all the completed rifles, tooling and parts were shipped to Canadian Arsenals - Longbranch and were used by the CF. Had one on my MIU when I commanded a CF Army Cadet Corps, long ago. Identical to a Longbranch except for the U.S. Property stamp.
Savage
I've seen several Savage rifles with large pieces sheared out of the bolt guide rails. One of them fractured while I was working the bolt, allowing the bolthead to flip up and causing me to punch myself in the face.
A friend had a similar experience using his Savage for hunting. I once had a quantity of Savage barreled actions, and all of them exhibited some degree of chipping in the guide rails. The worst one had over 1/2 inch chipped out at the rear of the release slot, and a smaller chip in front. None of these rifles showed signs of hard use. I've only seen minor chipping on LB rifles, even those that had seen hard use.
I've seen several Savage rifles with large pieces sheared out of the bolt guide rails. One of them fractured while I was working the bolt, allowing the bolthead to flip up and causing me to punch myself in the face.
A friend had a similar experience using his Savage for hunting. I once had a quantity of Savage barreled actions, and all of them exhibited some degree of chipping in the guide rails. The worst one had over 1/2 inch chipped out at the rear of the release slot, and a smaller chip in front. None of these rifles showed signs of hard use. I've only seen minor chipping on LB rifles, even those that had seen hard use.
