Interesting thoughts on RAMP
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hahahaha
I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME!!!!!!
Wow, classy. A guy starts a thread and then whines about the direction it goes....
Good thread guys. In amongst all the BS whining and spin, I actually learned a little bit. I think. I'm kinda slow, so I can't figure out what all the drama is about, so maybe you can fill me in:
-From what I gathered, the ARHJ, as well as the AFGA, are against the current RAMP program because it is a form of paid hunting.
-What sheephunter is whining about was that the ARHJ produced an internal letter saying they didn't mind the RAMP's initial way of compensating land owners for their participation.
-But after furthur research, ARHJ decided that RAMP sucked, and withdrew support.
What the hell isn't to like about this?
It wasn't Sheephunter's idea!!
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He is as self-entitled as they come and nothing takes precedence over Sheephunter convincing himself he's right.
What the casual reader may not realise is that RAMP in one form or another has been an ongoing discussion for some time now and Sheephunter has never actually made his position clear. These Sheep vs ARHJ threads are not 2 sides of a debate, they are 1 side of the debate vs a guy who cannot accept people picking a side in a debate.
"thousands of hunters"
Redfrog, I think it is probably a dozen or less. It seems to me they like people to think it is a large and relavent group.
I am not against or for RAMP. I don't think it will have any impact on me one way or another.
I do like to see the facts come out and people forming their opinion on the facts and not a lot of misinterpretation and conjecture.
I agree with your last statement Duffy.
I got the "thousands" comment from ARHJ statement. But I can't seem to find who they are or who they represent.
I must be thicker than the average froggie.
If a group is representing my interests, I'd like to know who they are.
I got the "thousands" comment from ARHJ statement. But I can't seem to find who they are or who they represent.
I must be thicker than the average froggie.
If a group is representing my interests, I'd like to know who they are.
I know this is an old thread, but I missed Duffy's comment and just read it now.
If you are planning to do any hunting in Alberta in the future this WILL have an impact on you. And my guess is you won't like it.
No Sir. I haven't and I won't.
I would feel far too dirty participating in a politically engineered model that I personally believe will lead to an elitist hunting culture in Alberta.
Currently, there are a lot of great landowners in these same zones that allow free access to respectful hunters. I hope that doesn't change or else I think we are all doomed.
Ike, it would be interesting to see if any research or studies are being done to evaluate this.
Cormack Gates from the University of Calgary and a main driver of this proposal (and apparently an evaluator
) as much as told a group of us that it was time to get paid hunting above the table as the outfitters have been doing this secretly for years. I know one attending representative from APOS was not thrilled with this comment.Ike, it would be interesting to see if any research or studies are being done to evaluate this.
Cormack Gates from the University of Calgary and a main driver of this proposal (and apparently an evaluator
We all know this is happening. But instead of ramming RAMP down our throats, how about put the money into more CO's. Extend their mandate, allow them to work undercover? Put some real fines on the books?
The outfits that are doing this are not sophisticated.
I hunt one of the properties in the RAMP program. Honestly enough, signing in and leaving my contact info is not a big deal. That said, I still have concerns over whether RAMP will pave the way towards paid access hunting. I think more people should be asking questions and keep the discussion going. Instead of slagging each other, let's try to keep the information circulating and find the answers to what is being asked.
And an additional concern that most Alberta hunters should be asking is what happens if and when RAMP fails due to increased funding costs. The average taxpayer in Alberta is not going to be too keen on their tax dollars being used to buy hunting access when we hear of the never ending economic woes of our hospitals, schools and infrastructure. The only logical answer, if this is allowed to continue, is to shift the financial burden to consumptive users - namely hunters and anglers.
I was reading about a father in Texas who took his young son on his first whitetail hunt. If I remember correctly, the doe tag he purchased cost him $2,500 USD and the money was paid directly to the landowner.
Currently, our opportunities in Canada are the envy of hunters around the world and these jokers want to destroy that? The question needs to be asked - why?
Ike, I agree with everything in your first paragraph.
Some of the outfits, as reported by Gates, have made use of convenient loop holes to indirectly pay landowners for exclusive hunting access. It was reported that many outfitters will "hire" the landowner or one of his children to act as a guide in return for exclusive access.
Fish & Wildlife officers have told me that it is not too hard to buck the system under the current rules and definitions and it makes prosecution virtually impossible.
i think the vast majority of hunters in Ab would like to see this practice stopped. I don't think implementing a system that paves the way for this practice to become legal is what we had in mind.
Amen. I know that one former member of APOS once told me that the best way to get rid of a lot of Alberta's hunting problems would be to confine APOS activities to public property only.
Of course, APOS believes this would be an absolutely ridiculous solution probably similar to the reaction of Alberta's hunters when we discovered SRD's answer to getting paid hunting "above the table".
According to the information provided by Cormack Gates and SRD, I think APOS owes a tremendous apology to Alberta's resident hunters. A great start in reparations to the damage they have allegedly caused might be in greater control and policing of their own members including external audits. I don't look forward to that happening anytime soon.
I suppose Cormack Gates and SRD could have been telling tales.
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