80% vs. 100% lower?
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From what I've read, depending on where it's (the 80%) is purchased there a number of machining operations that are not completed, making the 80% "not a firearm". Most recently in the US it looks like the operations not completed have changed from the buffer tower and most pin holes not drilled / tapped and the fire control group well not completely milled to the buffer tower being completed (drilled to spec and tapped), most pin holes still not drilled out, and the fire control group well not being milled out at all.
And the "white" means it hasn't been anodized...
FWTW.
And the "white" means it hasn't been anodized...
FWTW.
in canada the law says whe you have the intent to turn it into a firearm is when the registration process must be started, INTENT.
so even if you just have a block of aluminium I would say your building a paper weight until the time comes when you can install firecontrol parts.
so even if you just have a block of aluminium I would say your building a paper weight until the time comes when you can install firecontrol parts.
I think you can buy 80% lowers from Dlask Arms for a little bit less money. Do they have you register this lower when they sell you the 80% receiver?
To my understaning they don't. As such, an 80% lower is not considered a firearm. There is no licence required to purchase an 80% lower.
On a separate note, for the money, I don't think it's worth buying an incomplete 80% lower receiver and finishing it yourself.
To my understaning they don't. As such, an 80% lower is not considered a firearm. There is no licence required to purchase an 80% lower.
On a separate note, for the money, I don't think it's worth buying an incomplete 80% lower receiver and finishing it yourself.
Keep in mind that intent pretty much means if you have the parts and the tools to complete it. If you don't have the machinery then I wouldn't worry about anything.
80% lowers do not have the pin holes or the recesses cut for other parts. It's impossible to assemble a firearm from them without some decent machinery. I wouldn't even know where to start if I had an 80% reciever... Other than using it as a paperweight. One cool looking paperwieght I might add.
80% lowers do not have the pin holes or the recesses cut for other parts. It's impossible to assemble a firearm from them without some decent machinery. I wouldn't even know where to start if I had an 80% reciever... Other than using it as a paperweight. One cool looking paperwieght I might add.
Tools or not, it's not a firearm, period. I have a drill press and any tools needed to complete an 80% lower. Does that make me a criminal or something because I have a chunk of metal I can make holes in too?
Here's what Dlask Arms advertizes on their website for 220$ ... Dlask Arms is in Canada, yes?
"80% AR-15 receiver. This is the same as the base for our own DAR-701. Magazine well are done along with some other steps. The base of this fine receiver is 7075 T6 series alloy forging. Note: These 80% Receiver’s are in the white and not a gun, No paper work required to purchase, but must be completed by you. All local laws should be followed, and it is up to you to find out what those laws are. Before you complete the lower, know what the laws are in your jurisdiction to prevent being in violation of the law."
People who are disillusioned by a chunk of metal being a firearm as soon as they have thoughts, or intentions of making it one are just that, delusional.
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if I had an 80% lower, attached an upper, grip, and stock. but didn't drill / mill any of the fire control holes and section. would this become a prohibited replica firearm?....
or is it still a non firearm I can hang on the wall?
or is it still a non firearm I can hang on the wall?
if I had an 80% lower, attached an upper, grip, and stock. but didn't drill / mill any of the fire control holes and section. would this become a prohibited replica firearm?....
or is it still a non firearm I can hang on the wall?
Ask the guy in winapig who had his condo raided after Rogers came in to hookup his internet and noticed a plastic gun he purchased from the dollar store in the room.
and yes, they took the plastic toy gun; even though it wasn't real.
They could probably get you for replica.
The only reason I see to buy an 80% is the challenge in completing it. Once you buy all the equipment involved and go through the registration process, get a ser# stamped you've wasted more time and money than a completed stripped lower is worth.
Unless you're crafty and want to make something that's yours and are willing to deal with the reg. process it's not really worth your effort.
No one really knows the legality of them in Canada
The only reason I see to buy an 80% is the challenge in completing it. Once you buy all the equipment involved and go through the registration process, get a ser# stamped you've wasted more time and money than a completed stripped lower is worth.
Unless you're crafty and want to make something that's yours and are willing to deal with the reg. process it's not really worth your effort.
No one really knows the legality of them in Canada
if I had an 80% lower, attached an upper, grip, and stock. but didn't drill / mill any of the fire control holes and section. would this become a prohibited replica firearm?....
or is it still a non firearm I can hang on the wall?
If you had an 80% lower I guaran-goddamn-tee you that you wouldn't be able to attach an upper, grip or stock without milling and drilling and tapping. That is unless you are like the guy that mounted a rack on a doe.
The biggest problem with 80% lowers is milling the fire control pocket and mag well. Everything else is easy if you have the drill jig, decent tools and bits and some time.
The best thing about them is the satisfaction you get when it is completed to specs and works as advertised. I've done a few and learned the hard way.
80% lowers have the mag well, mag release and FCG pocket already done. All one needs to do is drill out the buffer tube hole to proper ID and tap it. Drill FCG pin holes. Drill takedown pin holes. Mill a slot in the front takedown pin area. Drill the small holes for the takedown pin keepers. Drill a hole under the buffer tube for the locking collar of the stock. Drill and tap the pistol grip screw hole. Drill the holes for the trigger guard. The tap for the buffer tube is nearly 90 bucks... not a job for the faint of heart or the measuring impaired. Ended up selling my 80% lower as it was a wee bit too much for me to do, will end up costing double (plus your time) than a 100% lower costs. If you are handy and have the time it would be an interesting project to do!
This is true to a point. However, on the ones I've done the FCG pocket and the rear take down pocket must be milled by .030". This is done with a 3/8" end mill or a Dremel tool with a sanding drum. Also, while not really necessary, if you want your mags to drop free some material needs to be removed from the mag well.
Those look.... great.
I'm going to assume you used a Mill/Drill or even a drill press to do those.
100% = you put parts in and you're done
80% = (a) you do 20%, but screw up = the receiver is "done"
(b) you do 20% (quality???), put parts and you're done
