You guys see the 308 from kel-tec

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You might be right. Let's hope the DOS act correctly and grant export permits. After it is marketed as a sporting firearm and not a tactical one. It would make a real handy rifle. I'm curious of what potential it has concerning the accuracy.

Any sources for metric fal mags ?
 
Wasn't there an article saying the DoS was restricting ALL rifles in "military calibres", even bolt guns???? Was I dreaming or did I actually read that somewhere?
 
I'm sniffing around for reliability reports... It would please me to no end if I read some reports from owners who have pumped hundreds of rounds through an RFB with no jams and no broken parts. (preferably thousands or rounds, but I'm not holding my breath for that report)


And, if I can get a non-restricted RFB...


I'm thinking about how much nicer it would be walking through thick brush on a hunting trip without having to deal with as many snags, etc. I'm also thinking about how much more accurate my longer distance shot placement will be with the better bullpup balance.

I've gone hunting with my Tikka T3 Tactical(and other rifles), and having an uber-accurate rifle is useless to a guy like me when it comes to cracking off a quick standing shot at longer distances. With a front heavy rifle, I can't keep the scope steadily and safely on targets, I need to support my rifle against something solid.

So, with all of my current rifles, I have to pass on taking any quick standing shots at greater distances since I can't keep the crosshairs from doing a wide and wild figure 8. Sure, all of my current rifles are more than accurate enough to take a shot out past 200 yards, but I'm not. I'm only good at those distances while fully braced and not holding the full rifle weight in my hands.


If the RFB lives up to the bullpup reputation of making it a lot easier to keep the sights on target while standing, then the rifle will become my primary hunting rifle. Any hunting rifle that can increase my safe and confident shot range is a must have. (I'm not expecting miracles out of the RFB, I'm just hoping for a real world, noticeable improvement)


And, weather or not the RFB shoots 0.75MOA, 1.5MOA, or 2MOA doesn't matter nearly as much as the lighter frontend weight and rearward center of gravity. When I try to take standing shots with my current rifles, my "figure 8" crosshair dance is probably more than 12 inches at 100yards while I'm tuckered out from tramping through the woods. So, I think I'll get far more real world accuracy out of having a lighter and easier to support rifle than by having a 0.5 or 1moa target gun. Hence, my excitement about the RFB.


ps. If the RFB turns out to be a ~1moa gun, all the better:)
 
grox6 said:
I'm sniffing around for reliability reports... It would please me to no end if I read some reports from owners who have pumped hundreds of rounds through an RFB with no jams and no broken parts. (preferably thousands or rounds, but I'm not holding my breath for that report)


And, if I can get a non-restricted RFB...


I'm thinking about how much nicer it would be walking through thick brush on a hunting trip without having to deal with as many snags, etc. I'm also thinking about how much more accurate my longer distance shot placement will be with the better bullpup balance.

I've gone hunting with my Tikka T3 Tactical(and other rifles), and having an uber-accurate rifle is useless to a guy like me when it comes to cracking off a quick standing shot at longer distances. With a front heavy rifle, I can't keep the scope steadily and safely on targets, I need to support my rifle against something solid.

So, with all of my current rifles, I have to pass on taking any quick standing shots at greater distances since I can't keep the crosshairs from doing a wide and wild figure 8. Sure, all of my current rifles are more than accurate enough to take a shot out past 200 yards, but I'm not. I'm only good at those distances while fully braced and not holding the full rifle weight in my hands.


If the RFB lives up to the bullpup reputation of making it a lot easier to keep the sights on target while standing, then the rifle will become my primary hunting rifle. Any hunting rifle that can increase my safe and confident shot range is a must have. (I'm not expecting miracles out of the RFB, I'm just hoping for a real world, noticeable improvement)


And, weather or not the RFB shoots 0.75MOA, 1.5MOA, or 2MOA doesn't matter nearly as much as the lighter frontend weight and rearward center of gravity. When I try to take standing shots with my current rifles, my "figure 8" crosshair dance is probably more than 12 inches at 100yards while I'm tuckered out from tramping through the woods. So, I think I'll get far more real world accuracy out of having a lighter and easier to support rifle than by having a 0.5 or 1moa target gun. Hence, my excitement about the RFB.


ps. If the RFB turns out to be a ~1moa gun, all the better:)
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Owning a Tavor I have developed a love for the bullpup design. I can Steadily hold on target for a long time before I tire. That is what I really like plus its so nice and compact. The RFB is right up my alley as I don't care to use a big heavy rifle in the bush that I can't hold on target for long and certainly can't hold steady without a rest of some sort. As long as the RFB has decent accuracy 2MOA or so I will most certainly be happy and anything better is a bonus.
 
Here a few more photos from that FAL web site review. I thought post them here in case there are some guys that are not registered at the other site.

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wow, looks way smaller then i thought it was! If they ever get here and the price is bearable i might just have to buy one for me and my dad!
 
Yup, I think it's beautiful just the way it is.

But, if it means less troubles getting it through the exportation/importation process, I'm all for adding a bunch of wood and a bunch of labels with words like hybrid, organic, biodegradable, recyclable, greenpeace, etc.


I'll clean it up once I get it home:)
 
One just sold at auction on gunbroker dot com.

Bidding started at ~$1,899 and 10 bids later it sold for $2,925 USD

Lots of pictures of the packaging along with the gun.

Go to gunbroker dot com and seach for item # 124393095
 
rivetc78 said:
A small update would be nice. :) (and none of this "I heard from this guy" crap)

Everything still going smoothly?? No surprises as of yet?

Thanks Walter
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It always goes smoothly until it's ready to distribute to the public:evil:

Kidding kidding! I'm looking forward to this gun. Any news would be appreciated, but it's understandable if you don't have any news for us - I have faith!
 
H Wally said:
It always goes smoothly until it's ready to distribute to the public:evil:

Kidding kidding! I'm looking forward to this gun. Any news would be appreciated, but it's understandable if you don't have any news for us - I have faith!
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This was SPECIFICALLY designed for the civilian market, so the CFC can't use the same flawed reasoning as with the Type 97's (and we've still yet to see how that pans out, so try not to panic).
 
dangertree said:
They've spent a lot of time to do this right and we gave Kel-Tec a lot of input to Canadian Legal Requirements as well as US Export requirements (the ever changing world of...).

Most of the current legalities are with specialized paperwork requirements for these, and ensuring the best possible configs.

FRTs have been issued for Restricted and Non-Restricted Versions.
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And as he says in a previous post, .308 is not a caliber that is restricted from export.

I think I spoke too soon when I said import papers are in-hand... but it looks well on it's way from what I can gather!
 
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