A 277-08

mike shickele

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I'm going to stir up a hornets nest here, and say that Remington should have never brought out either the 260rem, or the 7mm-08rem, as a 277-08 would have been superior to both.
Mike
 
sounds like another factory chambering potential to re invent the cartridge that can do it all.
the 30-06 already exists so why do you need anything else anyways?
 
mike shickele said:
I'm going to stir up a hornets nest here, and say that Remington should have never brought out either the 260rem, or the 7mm-08rem, as a 277-08 would have been superior to both.
Mike
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Well there is no doubt in my mind a .277" diameter bullet with limited choice of bullets must be magic if it is to be better than a .284" diameter bullet with a larger choice of bullets.

Can you demonstrate how either a 270-308 or a 7mm-08 with 150 grain bullets would perform measurably different in a hunting situation? They would be so close to identical you could not reliably tell the difference.

The choice of bullets and bullet weights gives the edge to the 7mm as the better choice though. That's just my opinion.

How do you propose a 270-08 would have been superior?

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guntech said:
Well there is no doubt in my mind a .277" diameter bullet with limited choice of bullets must be magic if it is to be better than a .284" diameter bullet with a larger choice of bullets.

Can you demonstrate how either a 270-308 or a 7mm-08 with 150 grain bullets would perform measurably different in a hunting situation? They would be so close to identical you could not reliably tell the difference.

The choice of bullets and bullet weights gives the edge to the 7mm as the better choice though. That's just my opinion.

How do you propose a 270-08 would have been superior?

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You have an odd perception of a limited bullet selection.
Mike
 
A 277 bore on a 308 case wouldn't perform any differently than either a 264, or a 284; that's my point, they could have brought out one cartridge that would have been as effective as the two that they actually did bring out.
Mike
 
260 Rem - 120 gr Nosler BT @ 2950 fps
+/- 3" Point Blank Range of 293 yards (249y zero)
100 - +2.6", 2760 fps, 2025 ft lbs
200 - +2.1", 2575 fps, 1765 ft lbs, 2.5" wind drift (10mph)
300 - -3.6", 2400 fps, 1530 ft lbs, 6" wind drift
400 - -15.4", 2230 fps, 1320 ft lbs, 11" wind drift

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27-08 - 130 gr Nosler BT @ 2900 fps
+/- 3" Point Blank Range of 286 yards (244y zero)
100 - +2.6", 2700 fps, 2100 ft lbs
200 - +2.0", 2510 fps, 1815 ft lbs, 2.8" wind drift (10mph)
300 - -4.2", 2325 fps, 1560 ft lbs, 6.5" wind drift
400 - -16.8", 2150 fps, 1330 ft lbs, 12" wind drift

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7mm-08 Rem - 140 gr Nosler BT @ 2800 fps
+/- 3" Point Blank Range of 280 yards (238y zero)
100 - +2.7", 2625 fps, 2140 ft lbs
200 - +1.8", 2455 fps, 1875 ft lbs, 2.6" wind drift (10mph)
300 - -4.8", 2295 fps, 1635 ft lbs, 6" wind drift
400 - -18.1", 2140 fps, 1420 ft lbs, 11" wind drift



Unless you believe in magic, I dont think you'd ever be able to notice any difference at normal hunting ranges between the 3 ;)
 
todbartell said:
260 Rem - 120 gr Nosler BT @ 2950 fps
+/- 3" Point Blank Range of 293 yards (249y zero)
100 - +2.6", 2760 fps, 2025 ft lbs
200 - +2.1", 2575 fps, 1765 ft lbs, 2.5" wind drift (10mph)
300 - -3.6", 2400 fps, 1530 ft lbs, 6" wind drift
400 - -15.4", 2230 fps, 1320 ft lbs, 11" wind drift

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27-08 - 130 gr Nosler BT @ 2900 fps
+/- 3" Point Blank Range of 286 yards (244y zero)
100 - +2.6", 2700 fps, 2100 ft lbs
200 - +2.0", 2510 fps, 1815 ft lbs, 2.8" wind drift (10mph)
300 - -4.2", 2325 fps, 1560 ft lbs, 6.5" wind drift
400 - -16.8", 2150 fps, 1330 ft lbs, 12" wind drift

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7mm-08 Rem - 140 gr Nosler BT @ 2800 fps
+/- 3" Point Blank Range of 280 yards (238y zero)
100 - +2.7", 2625 fps, 2140 ft lbs
200 - +1.8", 2455 fps, 1875 ft lbs, 2.6" wind drift (10mph)
300 - -4.8", 2295 fps, 1635 ft lbs, 6" wind drift
400 - -18.1", 2140 fps, 1420 ft lbs, 11" wind drift



Unless you believe in magic, I dont think you'd ever be able to notice any difference at normal hunting ranges between the 3 ;)
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That's my point, so why do you think that Remington didn't judt bring out a 277 in the first place?
Mike:nest:
 
probably because it would be a failure. Hunters would compare it to the 270 Winchester, see that is comes up short in speed, and choose something else.
 
Mike, you keep saying there would be no appreciable difference between the three variants.
Why stop there? If we are talking common sense, instead of emmotions and voodo, there is a whole host of calibres that could be grouped as being no practical difference between them.
Even Jack O'Connor once wrote that a person could use both a 270 and a 30-06 in the field for a lifetime, and not detect a difference between them, if they had suitable bullets for their use!
 
todbartell said:
probably because it would be a failure. Hunters would compare it to the 270 Winchester, see that is comes up short in speed, and choose something else.
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+1

It's all about marketing. If they thought a .270-08 would fly they would've done it. ;)

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mike shickele said:
You have an odd perception of a limited bullet selection.
Mike
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Mike,

Back when the first 7mm 08 was wildcatted , was long before the factory decided to offer one... and it was for target shooting... and became quite popular. I believe 7mm bullets were chosen over .270 bullets because there were match quality 7mm bullets available and no match quality .270 bullets.

The 7mm-08 caught on as a hunting round later and it would have been senseless to produce a .270-08 commercially with the 7mm-08 already popular.

The difference has changed somewhat today, but the 7mm-08 is still a better choice.
 
T-Bart & Silverado nailed it !!! Sorta like the 7mmExpress ?

Likely the same reason the .260 was not named 6.5/08 or .264/08,or whatever Jim Carmichael named it after some cat. ;)

Even bigger mystery ... why doesn't Remington chamber some of their bread & butter pump guns in 6mm, 25-06, 260, 7mm/08 and 280 ("their" commercialized wildcats) instead of the 243, 270 and 308 WINCHESTER cartridges ? Duh ???
 
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