Storage Opinions or "Am I legal?"

Some thing along these lines - I had seen strong boxes that are normally used for cash that has a warning sticker on the inside advising against their use for firearms storage. That would not be proper storage because the manufacturer specs said so. Now, if there was nothing on it, it will be a different story.

The interpretation of ‘vault” can be tricky. Does a strong box with a key qualify as a vault? There are old vaults that use keys only (no combination). I am a believer that if the rooms or containers are strong enough and can not be easily broken into, that should be classed as safe storage. They really left that open for all kinds of debate, but………After all the law never specified names and model numbers of safes and vaults and left that up to us. If they were series enough, they could have specified the recommended vaults on a list.
 
+1. LEO's (most anyway, there are some good guys too) rarely know what the firearms laws actually are. I've had them tell me I have to double lock all my guns (restricted, non-restricted, prohibs) before. Download a copy of the actual regs, keep copies in your storage and in your vehicle and in your house where you can find them. Pay particular attention to where they place the "OR" in all the requirements, most folks seem to miss this part. - dan
 
the guys that taught my RPAL course were both Alberta Sherrifs, and they also said it needed to be trigger locked in the safe, until I pointed out that "OR" in the law. Then they said 'well legally if its in a safe you dont need to trigger lock it, but you really should'

After watching the 10 year old kid on youtube, pop open a trigger lock in about 3 seconds, I decided there wasnt much point in keeping my handguns trigger locked in the safe
 
Artiz said:
It's sad but some guy on the internet knows the gun laws far better than most police officers.
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Actually it's pretty natural if you think about it, for the "guy on the internet" his freedom is at stake if he's wrong. For the LEO in this case, if he's wrong, Oh well, live and learn.
 
notsorichguy said:
All restricted firearms must be "double locked" a trigger lock and inside a locked case, it can be a tool box or a briefacase or a "Gun safe/cabinet" but it has to be double locked.

If you have a glass fronted gun cabinet all of your firearms within it must be trigger or action locked... you cannot store Restricted firearms in a glass fronted case.... as this would only provide a single lock, unless your 2nd locked case, ie: a locked gun tote or locked toolbox is in your glass fronted Gun case. (you would still need to have the firearm trigger locked inside the tote or box)

You are not required to keep ammo in your "locked case" either, it has to be stored seperatly, it can be in the same room but it must be in a different "container" than the firearms. The other container does not however need to be locked. You can store your mags with your firearm as long as they are unloaded, if they are loaded they must be stored with your ammo.

This only applies to RESTRICTED firearms, if they are non-restricted #1bcshooter is absolutly correct.......
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Wrong on quite a few counts. Time for you to re read the CFC fact sheet.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm
 
I might be more concerned about what meets their definition of a "safe" as anything. You might be confident that what you're storing them in is a safe, but would the courts?
 
Restricted and prohibited firearms
Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into;
or Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely. .
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The key part of this statement is the or, which seems to get alot of people. What others have said is correct.

EDIT: what happened to that yellow form, that had business and individual regulations on it? My Favorite's link is dead.
 
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EdGCNM said:
I might be more concerned about what meets their definition of a "safe" as anything. You might be confident that what you're storing them in is a safe, but would the courts?
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I think the rule of thumb is that if it says its a safe designed for firearms storage then its considered a safe designed for firearms storage. If it has a decal on it like mine that shows a picture of firearms being stored in it then leave it on there and keep the instruction booklet that says it can be used for firearms storage. and keep the rcmp pamphlet inside it and anywhere else to be able to inform any officer of the laws.
it says specifically "vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely."
 
People are rights. You can keep the gun, unlocked, in a locked safe along with the munitions and charger magazine (not in the gun!).

In fact, you can buy a safe with biometrics fingerprint to open (take 3-5 seconds to unlock, even less) with the gun and full magazine in it.

Sercure, legal, and still fast to access if zombies attack :)
 
Artiz said:
^^ That's pretty much it.

Trigger locking a gun in a safe is overkill, when you think about it, if the guy ever gets in the safe (you're already screwed)why the hell would he let the guns inside when he sees they are trigger locked. (they are not THAT stupid)
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Good point, if the bad guys are already in your safe, you're pretty screwed anyway. Having a trigger lock just means they will grab the guns and crack the locks at their leisure.
 
eigenvector said:
Good point, if the bad guys are already in your safe, you're pretty screwed anyway. Having a trigger lock just means they will grab the guns and crack the locks at their leisure.
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I am more concerned about my son (now 1.5 yo but growing fast) who is very curious. Even if he opens my safe, he still grabs trigger locked guns and won't hurt himself. Only problem is that I keep all the keys together.....so if he unlocks the room, then he unlocks the safe, then there is nothing to prevent him from opening the trigger locks. Three options: 1. Teach him responsibility very early on, 2. Separate the keys. 3. All of the above.
 
In my experiences, both as a kid and as a parent. I have found that teaching the responsibility and disclosure are the best methods.

1.5 is too young to understand what a firearm does, so the fact that he grabs them would not be a concern for me. However if he grows up being able to see and touch them, and you teach the proper handling of firearms, there will be little chance of him snooping to find them when he is older. Once the gun safe is de-mystified, the interest will fade into a "no big thing" attitude.

Separating the keys might work for a bit, but I would not be shocked if they were discovered very fast. I remember as a kid, if I found a key, I would not stop until I figured out what it opened....
 
Valkxb70 said:
In my experiences, both as a kid and as a parent. I have found that teaching the responsibility and disclosure are the best methods.

1.5 is too young to understand what a firearm does, so the fact that he grabs them would not be a concern for me. However if he grows up being able to see and touch them, and you teach the proper handling of firearms, there will be little chance of him snooping to find them when he is older. Once the gun safe is de-mystified, the interest will fade into a "no big thing" attitude.

Separating the keys might work for a bit, but I would not be shocked if they were discovered very fast. I remember as a kid, if I found a key, I would not stop until I figured out what it opened....
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Having raised two boys before all this nonsense got started I can attest to the above. Neither boy had any reason to sneak a peak at the guns or "play" with them. Right from the start they were allowed to handle the guns if they asked first. As three year olds they "helped" clean the guns, at five they would often come duck hunting with me. I took them shooting when they were old enough to handle the guns . My experience mirrors yours. Once the mystery is taken away they simply had no reason to "sneak" a peek. Both are now grown men and both tell me now they just didn't care about the guns all that much, unless we were going shooting or hunting.

Both are avid shooters now.

Take Care

Bob
 
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