CZ-858 Barrel Shortening?

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If I had an already restricted version, could I get a gunsmith to cut it down to a shorty?

Two things that lead me to believe this may not be able to be done:

- Pressed-in barrels
- Chrome Lining on restricted versions.

Am I off-track?
 
Rutger said:
If I had an already restricted version, could I get a gunsmith to cut it down to a shorty?

Two things that lead me to believe this may not be able to be done:

- Pressed-in barrels
- Chrome Lining on restricted versions.

Am I off-track?
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I don't think so. A friend of mine was told by a reputable gunsmith that he could not legally shorten the existing barrel on his AR, he would have to buy a shorter one. Much the same as shotguns.
 
I have heard of gunsmiths cutting barrels down on the M-14's and on shotguns. I thought it was legal as long as a "gunsmith" did it and not a home-hack job?
 
funny thing you ask this question cause I just got of the phone with the registry. Since we got denied our shipment of shortys that Marstar was so kindley bringing in I got on the phone and started planing on making my own. I called and called and got the run around and what one verry smart person at the registry told me is that you may not cut a barrel down but if a barrel is manufactured shorter you can have it installed. Please feel free to coment on this cause I am still kinda tick off at this. I go to bed every night with krinks dacing in my sleep. Thanks RCMP
 
this was discussed a while ago. the concensus was if you or anyone shorten a barrel to a length less than ~18 inches or 457 mm you are in bad ju-ju, regardless of what length the barrel started out to be.

a barrel has to be manufactured from its birth to that less than 18.5 in length.
 
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Chopping a barrel - replacing it with a shorter factory one....what difference does it make and who is going to know??
 
aftermidnight said:
this was discussed a while ago. the concensus was if you or anyone shorten a barrel to a length less than 18.5 inches (whatever in metric) you are in bad ju-ju, regardless of what length the barrel started out to be.

a barrel has to be manufactured from its birth to that less than 18.5 in length.
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Well the restricted ones are 15.5" so that is already 3" shorter that 18.5". Is that bad ju-ju? :D
 
Ghostsaww said:
If it's restricted, you can chop it down to 4.5" if you want. Shortest legal length for restricted I beleive.
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Dangerous advice there. (though I've read it too).

While I want to agree with you, the CFC lawyers disagree, and the CFC are the ones who would decide if criminal charges should be requested. The section of the the criminal code defining a prohibited firearm as a 'rifle or shotgun' (no mention of handgun) which has been shortened to have a barrel under 18" doesn't say "unless it's already restricted", or even 'unless it's already under 18"'.

Lot's of others have disagreed with this interpretation, and have been told from "the person who will be testifying against you in court" that this is the interpretation they are going with.

Rutger, the only answer that matters here is the one you get in writing from the CFC/RCMP.
 
from the cfc website:

The Criminal Code defines the following firearms as prohibited:

rifles and shotguns that have been altered so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm (about 18 inches) or their overall length is less than 660 mm (about 26 inches)

i dont see an allowance/exception of barrels already being sub 457mm.


i agree it makes no sense... but thats what it says.
 
aftermidnight said:
from the cfc website:

The Criminal Code defines the following firearms as prohibited:

rifles and shotguns that have been altered so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm (about 18 inches) or their overall length is less than 660 mm (about 26 inches)

i dont see an allowance/exception of barrels already being sub 457mm.


i agree it makes no sense... but thats what it says.
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If you give the passage a strict interpretation, it seems that ANY alteration, even buying a replacement barrel of a different length, would make your firearm prohibited. If you extended the barrel as well, you would also be creating a prohibited firearm.

Clearly the CFC doesn't know how to interpret the law, as they are all over the place.
 
Wildbore said:
If you give the passage a strict interpretation, it seems that ANY alteration, even buying a replacement barrel of a different length, would make your firearm prohibited. If you extended the barrel as well, you would also be creating a prohibited firearm.

Clearly the CFC doesn't know how to interpret the law, as they are all over the place.
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YOu need the actual words to give a strict interpretation,

Prohibited Firearm
(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm;
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A judge may or may not disagree with their interpretation (if it is already less than 457, can it be adapted to be less that 457mm? Is this Cartesian Philosophy or is it a gun law?), but at that point you're defending yourself in court against criminal charges, and I reckon all know that nobody wants to wind up there. I'm not a judge and I don't plan to argue this one in court, so we comply as directed and will not cut down customers guns to less than 457mm (~18").
 
venom_bullet said:
funny thing you ask this question cause I just got of the phone with the registry. Since we got denied our shipment of shortys that Marstar was so kindley bringing in I got on the phone and started planing on making my own. I called and called and got the run around and what one verry smart person at the registry told me is that you may not cut a barrel down but if a barrel is manufactured shorter you can have it installed. Please feel free to coment on this cause I am still kinda tick off at this. I go to bed every night with krinks dacing in my sleep. Thanks RCMP
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Barrel and Firearms Lengths
http://www.nfa.ca/content/view/148/199/
 
The rules on altering barrel length are pretty clear.
If you alter the barrel of a bolt/pump/lever/break open firearm to less than 18" (18.5" for semi-auto) that firearm has become prohibited and you are subject to charges. It doesn't matter if it is done by a gunsmith or your uncle Bob in his garage it's illegal, period.

If you want a barrel shorter than 18" for anything other than a semi-auto, you will have to find one that was manufactured at that length and have it installed. To keep the firearm non-restricted, it will now have to follow the minimum overall length rule of being at least 26" long.

If you alter the barrel of a semi-auto to less than 18.5" it becomes prohibited. If you install a manufactured barrel shorter than 18.5" it becomes restricted.
If that semi-auto is already restricted due to having a barrel shorter than 18.5" and you cut it further, that firearm has now become prohibited.

The same type of rules apply to firearms that are already prohibited. If you have an AK-47 with a 16" barrel that is already classed as 12(5) prohibited and you cut the barrel to 14" that particular firearm is now prescribed as a prohibited firearm outside of the 12(5) class and is illegal. Section "(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm" alows them to prohibit your prohibited firearm.

So be very carefull before you decide to start chopping!!!
 
If you alter the barrel of a semi-auto to less than 18.5" it becomes prohibited. If you install a manufactured barrel shorter than 18.5" it becomes restricted
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Are you sure cause I want to do exactly this. I want to install an 8" barrel on my non res gun making it a restricted. I just want to make sure its legal to do so.
 
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mrsmitty said:
Are you sure cause I want to do exactly this. I want to install an 8" barrel on my non res gun making it a restricted. I just want to make sure its legal to do so.
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It is legal to do this, the only problem you may have is if you want to make it non-restricted again, they may not allow that. They don't want firearms jumping back and forth between non-restricted and restricted just by changing barrels. So if you make the classification change it's permanent.

Your best bet is to call the CFC and ask to speak to a Firearms Tech, tell them what you want to do and they will give you the exact info you need.
 
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