HK Custom Sport won't fit in the box

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I thought I would shoot my HK Custom Sport in Production class because my STI won't fit in the box with the magwell and mags I have. I thought this would be a suitable alternative until I get the STI sorted out. A friend lent me a "box" and my HK, with a factory 10 round mag, won't fit in it.

I have two questions: 1) Shouldn't it fit in the box because it is stock? Nothing has been changed from the factory configuration.

2) Any suggestions as to how I can make it, or the STI as far as that goes, fit in the box. I have been thinking maybe the new angled base pads for the STI will work but I don't know if my sights are low enough.

Any thoughts, suggestions welcomed.
 
I would have assumed that the committee that approved it would have checked to see if it fit in the box.. you may want to double check with Vince Pinto on the IPSC GV.
 
STI mag bases that Frank sells at CRAFM,....the Custom sport does not have to fit in the box for production division. Although,..if you use the CS in standard division,.. wether shooting minor or major with or without mag well and white mags,...you should be able to fit it in the box with the rear sight depressed. Custom sport mags have either the long base pads or the flat ones.
 
HK USP Sport

Hi;

AIRC, No box is required for a production pistol. It just has to be on "the list" The list is available on the IPSC website under divisons. Here is a copy of the H&K portion.

USP, USP Stainless, USP Compact, USP Compact Stainless, USP Custom Sport, USP9SD, USP Tactical (barrel 127mm or shorter), USP Compact Tactical

VP70Z, P8, P9S (only with 100mm barrel), P10, P30, P2000, P2000SK, P30L

Not Approved:
Mark 23, P7 Series, USP Elite, USP Expert, USP Production, USP Combat Competition

I hope that helps yah.:yingyang:
 
Rugerman said:
...how I can make it, or the STI as far as that goes, fit in the box. I have been thinking maybe the new angled base pads for the STI will work but I don't know if my sights are low enough.

Any thoughts, suggestions welcomed.
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Factory STI 2011s (Edge, Executive, Legend, Tactical, etc.) with STI Mag Wells (Black Alum. or SS) and 126mm mags with either RHT, CRAFM, Viper or Dawson angled "box rule" base pads fit in the box. What's non-standard about your STI?
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Factory STI 2011s (Edge, Executive, Legend, Tactical, etc.) with STI Mag Wells (Black Alum. or SS) and 126mm mags with either RHT, CRAFM, Viper or Dawson angled "box rule" base pads fit in the box. What's non-standard about your STI?
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It's an STI 2011 with a CAPE magwell which would be the non-standard part. The base pads came with the magwell as the original ARMCO base pads would no longer work when the CAPE magwell was installed. If I hear you correctly, if I replace the magwell with an STI magwell and also replace the base pads with one of the above mentioned ones I should be good to go?


Thanks for the info.
 
PeteL said:
No box for prod, list only.

Your good to go.
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Thanks. I haven't shot in production class before and made an assumption that the gun had to fit in the box as well. Looks like I can at least shoot production until I get the STI back in the box.
 
Rugerman said:
It's an STI 2011 with a CAPE magwell which would be the non-standard part. The base pads came with the magwell as the original ARMCO base pads would no longer work when the CAPE magwell was installed. If I hear you correctly, if I replace the magwell with an STI magwell and also replace the base pads with one of the above mentioned ones I should be good to go? Thanks for the info.
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Yessir, with one caveat - if the mag / mags are 126mm. Just make sure of that.
 
Walter Hornby said:
with both of Cape's magwells? he does make two different ones.
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The one that was put on my gun was, as I understood it, a prototype. I have large hands and it was made to accommodate that. It always did fit in the box but that was without a mag in. Now it won't but hopefully the angled base pads will deal with that.
 
Back on the HK Custom Sport issue. Your friends box is the wrong size. The Custom Sport will fit, with plenty of room around it.
As mentioned above, guns must be on the approved list for Prod Div. - however in USPSA guns must on the approved list and fit their box:

Maximum size
Handgun and all magazines
(revolvers are exempt)
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Yes, handgun with empty magazine inserted
must fit wholly within a box with internal
dimensions of 8 15/16” x 6” x 1 5/8” (tolerance
+1/16”, -0”) (8.938”x6”x1.625”)
(227.01mmx152.40mmx41.28mm)
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Appendix D2 - Standard Division
16.
A handgun in its ready condition (See Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine inserted or empty
cylinder closed, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 225mm x 150mm
x 45mm (tolerance of +1 mm, -0 mm). Note that all magazines must comply, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will
apply. When a handgun is inserted into the box, rear adjustable sights may be slightly depressed, but all
other features of the handgun, (e.g. collapsible and/or folding sights, slide rackers, thumb rests, external
hammers, grips etc), must be fully extended or deployed. Additionally, telescoping magazines and/or
magazines with spring-loaded bases or base pads are expressly prohibited.
Appendix D3 - Modified Division
16.
A handgun in its ready condition (See Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine inserted or empty
cylinder closed, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 225mm x 150mm
x 45mm (tolerance of +1 mm, -0 mm). Note that all magazines must comply, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will
apply. When a handgun is inserted into the box, rear adjustable sights may be slightly depressed, but all
other features of the handgun and magazines, including collapsible and/or folding optical/electronic sights,
must be in the same state of deployment as when the Start Signal is given.
Appendix D4 - Production Division
17.
Single-action-only handguns are prohibited. First shot must be double action. Handguns with external hammers
must be fully decocked. First shot attempted must be double action. Competitors in this Division who, after
the issuance of the start signal and prior to making attempting the first shot, #### the hammer on a handgun
which has a loaded chamber, will incur one procedural penalty per occurrence. Note that a procedural penalty
will not be assessed if the first double action shot attempted fails to discharge due to a malfunction, or in respect
of courses of fire where the ready condition requires the competitor to prepare the handgun with an empty
chamber. In these cases, the competitor may fire the first shot single action.
 
Peter Pan, you are correct. These are right out of the 2009 handgun rules.

PMT, you are correct, and the Custom Sport will fit in the box as well as the USP variants. There are many out there in use, and pass the box test.

Rugarman: What caliber is your Custom Sport, and what mags are you using to make the Custom Sport not fit in the box? If you have the factory mags, it should be no problem with either the 9mm or 40.
 
40cal said:
Peter Pan, you are correct. These are right out of the 2009 handgun rules.

PMT, you are correct, and the Custom Sport will fit in the box as well as the USP variants. There are many out there in use, and pass the box test.

Rugarman: What caliber is your Custom Sport, and what mags are you using to make the Custom Sport not fit in the box? If you have the factory mags, it should be no problem with either the 9mm or 40.
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The dimensions in my post are from the 2009 USPSA rule book. Their box differs in size. From my previous post "approved list and fit their box"
 
40cal said:
Peter Pan, you are correct. These are right out of the 2009 handgun rules.

PMT, you are correct, and the Custom Sport will fit in the box as well as the USP variants. There are many out there in use, and pass the box test.

Rugarman: What caliber is your Custom Sport, and what mags are you using to make the Custom Sport not fit in the box? If you have the factory mags, it should be no problem with either the 9mm or 40.
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Calibre is .45 ACP. But now I am confused as I thought production class guns didn't have to fit in a box?? :confused::confused::confused:

I no longer have the box for Standard division so i can't check it but is the Production box different in size than the Standard one. My HK with factory mag in will definitely not fit in the Standard box.
 
There is NO Production "box" in CANADA. We have barrel length dimensions, trigger SA/DA rules, and trigger pull weight rules to govern the gun.

It only happens in the USA where you are needed to comply with their "good gun" list and the box (which apparently has different dimensions than IPSC). They do not have the restrictions that we have with the barrel length and trigger pull weight, but you can't use a "speed holster".:(

The HK Custom Sport in 45 caliber has a larger frame than the 9mm and 40. I am surprised that it does not fit in the box because I believe the Expert model does (last I looked). This exemption rule change for Canada has really screwed up a ton of people that have expensive guns that don't fit in the box with a magazine inserted.:rolleyes:

If your gun does not fit in the box, but meets all the criteria for Production division (ie. the correct action with the trigger, and no modifications to the gun), then go ahead. You will be shooting a minor power factor with the 45 no matter what load you are using. This will be a disadvantage unless you shoot all A's.

Other than that, the HK's are very well built guns, so shoot it and have fun!!:D
 
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